1:54 Twat.

[spindrift]

though admittedly they are in a minority.

Um.

So.


Not typical?


I don't wanne get hysterical or anything, but say Mr Havershoff had been shown a clip of a black man shoplifting and had then said:


"Typical!"

 

[BentMikey]

Mate, you need to take a chill pill, IMO, and pick your battles.

 

[spindrift]

I'm perfectly chilled, thanks.

The funny thing is the audience seemed to turn against Mr Hassenhoffer just like they did when El Tel made similar remarks.

 

[BentMikey]

Your posts come across as hysterical ranting a large proportion of the time. The result is that I, for one, am starting to treat all of them like crying wolf, even the much more serious ones.

 

[spindrift]

I moan about the media demonisation of me and people like me, I'd suggest other out groups would be protected from this steady drip-drip effect of negativity and dehumanisation. All I'm doing is trying to get to work, I'm no more responsible for those actors in the clip than Mr Haversack is representative of Peter Sutcliffe, the lorry driver.

 

[hackbike 6]

Ok typical is a bit strong but Mr Havers (and his like) attitude isn't built up just because we ride around on two wheels but because he sees the same crap I see day in day out.

BTW motorists who use mobiles really get on my tits.(and poor driving)
I get the hump with some of the cycling crap out there as well.

I still don't think that Mr Havers is a twat for his opinion.Im not a great fan of his either.

 

[spindrift]

A bit thick, isn't it? Nigel, if you're reading this (I'm not holding my breath on that one) it's a bit like watching and disliking one of your sitcoms and deciding not to watch anymore TV on that basis - or reading a poor article and deciding to boycott a newspaper as a result.

And the really thick bit is trying to stereotype the country's several million cyclists. We are all prone to stereotyping, it's a human trait (I've just done it myself, in saying that). We like to organise and pigeonhole information and people. It can be fun, but it's rarely fair and when we discriminate on the grounds of race, gender or disability, the underlying stereotyping, which usually drives the prejudice, is actually illegal.

Of course, stereotyping is common amongst Road users - we all know what the stereotypical white van man is like, or the taxi driver or the BMW/Volvo/Range Rover etc driver. And, in the majority of cases, stereotyping by vehicle, or indeed any other criteria is totally unfair and inaccurate.

Sadly, however, I think the stereotyping of cyclists is altogether more damaging. It not only tries to marginalise and ridicule the largest and most vulnerable minority on the roads (I exclude pedestrians as non-road users). It also undermines the credibility and even the legality of the one form of transport which could genuinely make a contribution to reducing the ecological impact of road use - the one form of transport which we ought to be actively encouraging and making easier and more socially acceptable.

http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/BC/bcf/News2007/20070204_times.asp

 

[hackbike 6]

Mate,half (ok I dont know how many) the motorists out there possibly think the same.I get all this from my work colleagues at work.The first question they ask is do you stop at red lights.Yes no doubt stereotyping is more damaging but that's your general public pal.Is this helped by the gutter press?

I know in my job peoples attitudes are fueled by the crap that is written in the gutter press.

Of course, stereotyping is common amongst Road users - we all know what the stereotypical white van man is like, or the taxi driver or the BMW/Volvo/Range Rover etc driver. And, in the majority of cases, stereotyping by vehicle, or indeed any other criteria is totally unfair and inaccurate.

Must say I do as well.I don't particulary trust BMW drivers.

 

[domtyler]

Mate,half (ok I dont know how many) the motorists out there possibly think the same.I get all this from my work colleagues at work.The first question they ask is do you stop at red lights.Yes no doubt stereotyping is more damaging but that's your general public pal.Is this helped by the gutter press?

I know in my job peoples attitudes are fueled by the crap that is written in the gutter press.

This is more a reflection of the kind of people you work with I'd say. I can't remember ever having anyone at my workplace say anything negative about cycling to me.

What kind of people do you work with?

 

[spindrift]

What kind of people do you work with?

It's a busy office with Jeremy Clarkson, Kate Hoey, Nigel Haversack, Matthew Paris and Erin Baker.

 

[domtyler]

What kind of people do you work with?

It's a busy office with Jeremy Clarkson, Kate Hoey, Nigel Haversack, Matthew Paris and Erin Baker.

 

[hackbike 6]

This is more a reflection of the kind of people you work with I'd say. I can't remember ever having anyone at my workplace say anything negative about cycling to me.

What kind of people do you work with?

Railway people.

 

[spindrift]

They've just got one-track minds.

 

[domtyler]

Maybe they have an ulterior locomotive?

 

[spindrift]

Dunno how to conduct themselves.