Accidental damage to car - question

[Milkfloat]

Ah - so your position isn't actually a moral one as you claim but a financial one...

No it is still moral. It would be immoral to claim 10k for £250 damage.

 

[growingvegetables]

Given the fruroar on here when a certain mp opened a cab door into the path of a cyclist.... With the only caveat that your son is 15 afaik it is an offence to open a car door recklessly ie without looking. Sure you can tell A to jog on or expect them to lose thousands by using insurance but at the end of the day it is your sons actions that are to blame. Teach him to take responsability and dock is pocket money.

Google Translate didn't help.

 

[Milkfloat]

Hate to say it. But just possibly you may find a lot of people on this forum would hesitate to do business with you?

As long as they are the same set of people we are all happy. Please make yourselves known.

 

[Spinney]

No it is still moral. It would be immoral to claim 10k for £250 damage.

Part of Sandra's argument is that it is immoral to claim £250 without providing any evidence that it cost that much to fix it. Particularly when the initial reaction was apparently that 'it will polish out'

 

[Milkfloat]

That’s not what was being suggested though, was it?

I remain on my moral high ground.

 

[Milkfloat]

Part of Sandra's argument is that it is immoral to claim £250 without providing any evidence that it cost that much to fix it. Particularly when the initial reaction was apparently that 'it will polish out'

Agreed, I think it is not great that A and C went through arrangements without Sandra knowing, but we don’t have the full story. Did Sandra’s Daughter report to her what happened, if not, why not? Personally I would be a bit annoyed that I was not consulted and would want to see a receipt/photos but ultimately I would pay for my child’s mistake as I could not see A or C out of pocket. Maybe I am unique in this, but I won’t change my position.

 

[Inertia]

True neither of us was there but the information we’ve been given is B opened the door. I don’t understand how A is responsible for this.

He is only responsible for his own part in it.

he was possibly travelling too quickly past parked cars, including one that he may even have seen pull over.

 

[Inertia]

Agreed, I think it is not great that A and C went through arrangements without Sandra knowing, but we don’t have the full story. Did Sandra’s Daughter report to her what happened, if not, why not? Personally I would be a bit annoyed that I was not consulted and would want to see a receipt/photos but ultimately I would pay for my child’s mistake as I could not see A or C out of pocket. Maybe I am unique in this, but I won’t change my position.

I like to think that if I was A or C iwould offer to split the bill. Especially as I want to avoid using insurance. A little from everyone is easier to take than lumping it all on one party.

 

[growingvegetables]

As long as they are the same set of people we are all happy. Please make yourselves known.

Me.

 

[PaulSB]

Do you drive? If so, this shouldn’t be news to you.

I’ve driven for 45 years and until today I was unaware a car driver is legally responsible for the actions of a passenger. In fact the only information on this I have is from unknown posters on a cycling forum. I’m therefore not convinced it’s correct.

Can you provide evidence of this? I’ve googled for a few minutes and found nothing other than an item on littering.

Obviously there is a duty of care to the passengers from the driver.

 

[Milkfloat]

Well, you’ve certainly failed to argue it on the facts...

I disagree. But I have no need to try to convince you.

 

[PaulSB]

Sadly, your phrase "practicality in modern traffic" has come to mean, all too often, FAR too often, "four-wheels-good-and-barge-our-entitled-way-through".


No worries! A wee difference on a forum is words.

But a driver forgetting his/her brake pedal IS a personal attack.

OK this is how you’ve interpreted my words. I have to tell you you’re wrong and I don’t hold with the four wheels are good barge your way through approach.

I do feel you’ve taken my words and extrapolated them a very long way. Can I ask a question by giving a scenario.

You’re driving on a single carriageway, typical urban road or street. There are cars parked on both sides restricting the road width to sufficient for cars to pass each other in opposite directions. There is though insufficient road width for drivers in both directions to move out of the door zone without crossing the centre of the road.

What position in the road would you adopt? How long would you be prepared to wait stationary until you could pull out sufficiently to be out of the door zone.

This is what I mean by the practicality of modern driving. If every driver positioned the vehicle outside of the door zone traffic would come to a standstill in minutes. I’m not advocating “the I’m in a big metal box I own the road approach.”

 

[growingvegetables]

... we don’t have the full story.

Agreed.

But you've jumped, without the full story, to a whole series of assumptions about @Sandra6's daughter. And I'll say straight - you haven't a shred of evidence. It's assumptions. It's prejudice. And it stinks.

That's not to say you'll not find yourself proved right in the end. It's just saying I don't like your supporting unevidenced dumping on a 15-year-old lass.

More - I resent your casual assumption that the 15-year-old lass is duplicitous. And I resent your casual casual assertion that it's "my child’s mistake", and you "could not see A or C out of pocket".

Sorry - but I don't believe that ...

that's a personal opinion Maybe I am unique in this, but I won’t change my position.

 

[PaulSB]

He is only responsible for his own part in it.

he was possibly travelling too quickly past parked cars, including one that he may even have seen pull over.

I think you mean C. A is the driver of the vehicle B was a passenger in.

 

[growingvegetables]

OK this is how you’ve interpreted my words. I have to tell you you’re wrong and I don’t hold with the four wheels are good barge your way through approach.

I do feel you’ve taken my words and extrapolated them a very long way. Can I ask a question by giving a scenario.

You’re driving on a single carriageway, typical urban road or street. There are cars parked on both sides restricting the road width to sufficient for cars to pass each other in opposite directions. There is though insufficient road width for drivers in both directions to move out of the door zone without crossing the centre of the road.

What position in the road would you adopt? How long would you be prepared to wait stationary until you could pull out sufficiently to be out of the door zone.

This is what I mean by the practicality of modern driving. If every driver positioned the vehicle outside of the door zone traffic would come to a standstill in minutes. I’m not advocating “the I’m in a big metal box I own the road approach.”

Irrelevant whataboutery - sorry, @PaulSB. The only practicality in this thread is the one described (?) by the OP.