AirZound is a good thing?

[Mr Phoebus]

You'd have made a good gunslinger in the Ol' Wild West.

 

[HF2300]

... was doing 10-15 mph less here in the wet and greasy conditions. In hindsight, I'd have liked to go even slower than that. Is that reasonable?

I'm not sure it's for me to judge what's reasonable! I wasn't really commenting on your speed on this occasion or the incident. While speed might have been a factor, I'd have said it was her misjudgement of your speed that was the problem.

Not really - it's the same speed as most cars do here, and the speed limit doesn't apply to bicycles anyway. I'd agree there is some moral aspect to roughly sticking to the speed limit on a bike...

I think that's why I'm asking really. I'm going OT I know, but I see a lot of guys justifying speeding on the basis that the law only applies to motor vehicles. Though perhaps they're not always set correctly, speed limits are posted for a reason, and I tend to feel that there's a personal safety as well as a moral argument for keeping within them. Having said that, there's also an argument for keeping with the flow of traffic...

Mind you, at my level of fitness even the thought of exceeding a limit or two would be nice!

 

[thomas]

In regard to speeding it does take longer to stop from the same speed than a car, so 30 in a car might not be safe to do on a bike.

If I find a bit where I can speed I will though but there are risks involved.

I don't think it's speeding but poor use of speed. I've had a situation when, not speeding, but not paying complete attention coming up to a roundabout. I could of sworn it was clear but it wasn't. I wouldn't of been able to have stopped in time but thankfully the car stopped on the roundabout when it saw me. I did apologise to the driver and say thanks. That was my fault and a bad use of speed as I couldn't stop in time.

On the way to where I worked during the holidays I could break the speed limit in a 40 (nice rush to the start of the working day...horrible hill for the end of the day ). It was only a little bit over mind - 5MPH tops when I had cycled the route more times.

 

[J4CKO]

"The best way not to be noticed is to wear urban camouflage - hi viz clothing, lots of lights and reflectors and a helmet." Dr. Tony Raven.


Perhaps Dr Raven is talking out of his arse based on that situation ?

 

[BentMikey]

She saw me just fine, once she looked properly, so I still think he's right.

 

[J4CKO]

She saw me just fine, once she looked properly, so I still think he's right.

Fair enough, either judgment error or bloody mindedness.

 

[hackbike 6]

Not usually bloody mindedness,it's misjudgment or underestimating the speed of a bike that can't be that fast can it?

Or just not looking properly.

and the speed limit doesn't apply to bicycles anyway.

Can someone actually confirm or deny this?

What about if there was an accident like in a court of law,yes your honour said cyclist was doing 40 in a 30mph zone.Wouldn't stand up too well at a guess would it?

 

[HF2300]

and the speed limit doesn't apply to bicycles anyway.

Can someone actually confirm or deny this?

Road Traffic Regulation Act - all the references to setting speed limits are to 'motor vehicles'. Perhaps 'In Trouble' can confirm.

What about if there was an accident like in a court of law,yes your honour said cyclist was doing 40 in a 30mph zone.Wouldn't stand up too well at a guess would it?

This is my feeling as well. I think there's also the moral argument Mikey referred to - similar to the RLJing one. I also feel that low limits are set in towns because of the number of likely hazards, so there's an argument about your own safety.

 

[thomas]

You can never get done for ''speeding'' on a bike, however you may well get done for ''dangerous cycling'' if you was to exceed the speed limit and get caught.

I think you can get a few thousand pound fine if you are caught...it's whatever you'd get for dangerous driving (top end).

As for the Airzound it definitly has its place. I've used mine a few times when I think people are going to pull out on roundabouts when they haven't realised what speed I'm doing. I think because I used it is the reason they didn't pull out, but I can't be sure.

Othertimes you could hold it down and people will just keep on going as they almost freeze up and don't stop. I'd say more people ignore it than do. If I was in the situation on the video I'd of probably just of braked really hard. This is partly because I can't use mine without taking my hands away from the brakes slightly (which is obviously a major disadvantage).

 

[BentMikey]

What about if there was an accident like in a court of law,yes your honour said cyclist was doing 40 in a 30mph zone.Wouldn't stand up too well at a guess would it?

OTOH, bicycles aren't required to have working speedometers, and a couple of mph over 40 is a very different matter to 40 in a 30 zone. I think 40 in a 30 zone would be taking the mickey tbh.

Lee is right, dangerous cycling or somesuch might be the charge, but then that will have a much higher standard of proof than a few mph over the motor vehicle speed limit.

 

[downfader]

You can never get done for ''speeding'' on a bike, however you may well get done for ''dangerous cycling'' if you was to exceed the speed limit and get caught.

True, and its a £2500 max fine, even if you kill someone, though other circumstances may be taken into consideration and you could still end up in the nick ( I think a cyclist did in 2005 when he knocked down an old dear, though it wasnt for long

I think "wanton and furious cycling" still stands..?

 

[HF2300]

I think "wanton and furious cycling" still stands..?

There was a guy recently locally who committed a whole string of motoring offences, but for some reason they couldn't get him on any of the conventional charges, so he was charged and convicted of furious driving under the 1847 Town Police Clauses act.

 

[Maz]

Maybe hi-vis would have helped.... Actually it might have....

+1

 

[col]

I think to use quotes from the rules as an excuse for speeding is a bit over the top,its a speed limit,why would we be exempt from it,its a safety thing isnt it? Thats saying we could reach it in the first place?

 

[hackbike 6]

OTOH, bicycles aren't required to have working speedometers, and a couple of mph over 40 is a very different matter to 40 in a 30 zone. I think 40 in a 30 zone would be taking the mickey tbh.

But yours and mine are fitted with a speedo no?

I also feel that low limits are set in towns because of the number of likely hazards,

Like peds,young children cars and recumbent riders.