Another moan: Cyclist in ASLs
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Origamist
Legendary Member
benborp
Guru
- Location
- further from Penge
Legislation to clarify that entry to an ASL on a cycle is legal without the need to use a feeder lane whether one is present or not is currently part of a private bill at commitee stage in the Lords. The bill is sponsored by Westminster City Council and TfL so the new law would apply in London. They also want to decriminalise the encroachment of motor vehicles into ASLs in order to increase enforcement -the offence would remain endorsable though.
Joe24
More serious cyclist than Bonj
- Location
- Nottingham
I pay as much attention to the cycle lanes on the roads around here, and other places, as i do cycle paths.
No attention to them is put on them what so ever. They are just lines on the road to me, normally put in the wrong place and pointless.
I like ASLs though, but i tend to make my own way up to them, and not follow the proper lane. Except on the ones where the painted entry thing is where i would normally go. Which isnt very often.
What needs to happen, is someone that actually knows what they are doing needs to design the cycle facilities, and tell the people who lay them down/paint them where to put them.
i.e not in dangerouse places where people open up car doors, or where you have to undertake cars to get into a ASL to get in it the way its telling you
No attention to them is put on them what so ever. They are just lines on the road to me, normally put in the wrong place and pointless.
I like ASLs though, but i tend to make my own way up to them, and not follow the proper lane. Except on the ones where the painted entry thing is where i would normally go. Which isnt very often.
What needs to happen, is someone that actually knows what they are doing needs to design the cycle facilities, and tell the people who lay them down/paint them where to put them.
i.e not in dangerouse places where people open up car doors, or where you have to undertake cars to get into a ASL to get in it the way its telling you
very-near said:
Why can't you completely ignore ASLs instead of getting yourself into all of a lather when it isn't possible to use it "properly", and when car drivers fail to "respect" it, like they apparently always do?
If there's enough room to pass on the outside, and there's enough slower/stationary traffic for it to be worth doing so, then do that. If there's enough room to pass on the left, then do that, or pass on the right then pull in to the left at a convenient moment. The presence or not as the case may be of an ASL shouldn't affect your ability to do that.
If cyclists don't understand ASLs properly why should they expect car drivers to?
Will1985
Über Member
- Location
- South Norfolk
Is that the A38/Priory Rd junction? Bit of a silly one there, especially a few hundred metres further on where the cycle lane disappears at the same time that traffic merges into a single lane.
In the case you have highlighted, I favour keeping the cyclists off the pavement and creating a cycle lane on the road all the way from the centre. This obviously requires a reduction in pavement size, but I think that is what Pushbikes+the council believed was best in the October meeting anyway.
In the case you have highlighted, I favour keeping the cyclists off the pavement and creating a cycle lane on the road all the way from the centre. This obviously requires a reduction in pavement size, but I think that is what Pushbikes+the council believed was best in the October meeting anyway.
bonj said:
All ASLs and cycle lanes in the roads are doing is formalising what the very vast majority of cyclists and motorcylists do anyway to avoid being caught between two lines of traffic when it starts to move. ASLs are not a safe haven, but an indicator to the drivers that in a queue of traffic, that 2 wheels need to be at the front on a light change.
very-near said:
I disagree with this completely. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for a cyclist to be at the front to be safe. If you happen to find yourself there, then that's great, but there is no need to filter to the front, and in some circumstances filtering to the front, where lights might change, can actually be dangerous (especially where the lead lane is on the left and cars can turn left at the lights).
I prefer this idea.
magnatom said:
The sad reality is that if you do filter at all, then even if the car drivers soo you, this promotes resentment, and once the lights change irrespective of where you are, unless you are directly in their path, a good majority will move off whilst you are alongside.. You cannot guarantee whilst filtering to your 'safe spot' that the lights won't change and the traffic starts moving.
Irrespective of where the safe spot is, if you are moving into it, you are in the eyes of the drivers behind it creating an obstruction where there wasn't one.
What happens also if you get caught at the head of the queue anyway - same problem as with an ASL. The drivers will be looking to get past you ASAP - as they do.
User3143 said:
Your fine when you get there, it is the act of getting there that can be the problem. If the lights change when you are filtering at the front, and the drivers at the front have a 'must get away from the lights' mentality (which happens a lot) then you can be in bother.
