Any Runners On Here??

[Richard A Thackeray]

@ Richard

Thanks!!!

I dragged myself out for a run and caught up with my clubmates. I managed 6.41 miles in 55 minutes but they will have done about 10 miles by the time they have finished. Stretch, shower and a late breakfast to follow

That's a decent time for that distance

I'm not sure how many of us actually turned up, as some had set off by the time I got there, but I made it (on my watch) 49:53, for 7 miles (=/- a couple of 100th's, dependant on whose Garmin measured it)
http://www.mapometer.com/running/route_2618106.html

I passed my 'minute man' just after the first mile, Gail Wrangles (a 6:30 head-start, & a good runner!!) at 5 miles, & the 12 minute man with 500 yards to go!!!

Was home for 12:05, car away, & showered - but no breakfast at all

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

I believe one of the girls won the Handicap, as she finished well ahead of her scheduled time, & her 'age-related' time was good too
Well done Helen!!



I've just been working out this weeks/last months/last years mileage.......
Mileage For Week = 41

Mileage For December = 172.5 (my crank length on all bikes!!!)

Mileage For 2012 = 1246.5



However;
In 2011, I covered 1327 miles, & in 2012; 1692miles

BUT;
I had a knee injury (chipped Femur) at the begining of the year & it lowered my mileage considerably for several months;
Feb = 23
March = 7
April = 7
May = 31.5
June = 46

Not making excuses, just being 'correct' & putting my mileage into perspective

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

I'm not sure how many of us actually turned up, as some had set off by the time I got there, but I made it (on my watch) 49:53, for 7 miles (=/- a couple of 100th's, dependant on whose Garmin measured it)

As it was only 49 attended (131 members on start-sheet)

We had one retired at the 1 mile mark (Hamstring), I'll admit I wasn't feeling too good most of the way round.

Castlesyke ('Water-Tower'/'Plague-Stone Hill') wasn't much fun, but I caught & passed a few on there (including a 15 minute head-start lady!)
Then it was mostly a gentle descent to the 1/2 mile to go point
On seeing the results about an hour ago, I was surprised!!, I thought I'd done well, by keeping Richard Smith & Andrew Mascarenas within a minute or so.

But taking 3rd/49 @ 49:52 made me smile

http://www.ackworthroadrunnersandac.co.uk/#/jan-race-results/4539765830

Photos to follow

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

http://www.ackworthroadrunnersandac.co.uk/#/jan-race-results/4539765830

Photos to follow

Photos/report (& new local Land-Mark)

http://www.ackworthroadrunnersandac.co.uk/#/winter-handicap-2013/4572012406


16th/48 under the handicapping, but 3rd sounds a lot better though

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

I've also got a XC too next Sunday
Mine's at Bramley Falls Woods, just off one of the major roads between Leeds & Bradford (& above the Leeds - Liverpool Canal)
http://www.pecoxc.co.uk/pages/race3.html

Wonder if we'll be running round in the snow in the morning?

 

[rich p]

Wonder if we'll be running round in the snow in the morning?

Yeah, me too.

 

[DCLane]

Not in Yorkshire - it'll arrive Sunday night

 

[MrJamie]

Wonder if we'll be running round in the snow in the morning?

Surely a little snow doesn't stop you fell running nutters

I went for my first run in 2 weeks today, just haven't had the motivation with the darkness, cold and rain etc. Just a 4 miler, with my nephew out on his bike, slow but steady. My Garmin HRM has been playing up recently, hopefully its just the battery.

 

[wanda2010]

Richard, I think you should stop posting here for a while. You're making me feel tired just reading your reports . Very well done though , you too MrJamie

I should feel ashamed to say I didn't do that XC race on Mitcham Common yesterday, but I'm not. The projected temperature had me concerned about my fingers' poor circulation, even though I wear two pairs of gloves. Hope the women's team did well, but the results weren't up with I searched earlier this morning.

This morning I went for run: 3/4 loop of Clapham Common, then down to Battersea Park for a complete loop then back home. 6.64 miles in 1hr 5. If I'd not forgotten my hanky for my dripping nostrils I'm sure I'd have run a little faster but the important thing is I ran at a speed that was comfortable for the whole distance when I normally start fast then die on the return leg.

Despite my light clothing (I sweat loads when warm) and two pairs of gloves - thin under winderproof - my fingers froze. I had to stick them under my armpits for 5 mins or so to defrost when I got home. Still, that was an improvement on my last XC race when I lost feeling completely and it took 20 minutes under a hot shower, with attendant pain as the blood returned

I might have to reconsider running in cold temperatures, but I'm going to give it one more shot and use thin gloves and mittens and see how I do.

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

PECO was hard bloody work!, with a couple of silly stoppages early on the first lap, one due to being rooted between a Tree & a Holly bush
So unless you were at the front, you lost loads of time (like me!!!)
There were some awkward sections where I expected to possibly fall, or see them (semi-thawing mud on obliquely cross tarmac paths, & partially hidden stonework under softening grass)
Only managed a 148th, but what the heck!!

Richard, I think you should stop posting here for a while. You're making me feel tired just reading your reports . Very well done though , you too MrJamie

Better not mention yesterdays Park-Run then either.....

Still, that was an improvement on my last XC race when I lost feeling completely and it took 20 minutes under a hot shower, with attendant pain as the blood returned

Been there, done that....... & sworn at the shower, as feeling returns to fingers & toes

I might have to reconsider running in cold temperatures, but I'm going to give it one more shot and use thin gloves and mittens and see how I do.[

What about those 'Lobster' style mitts to keep your fingers in pairs, to retain heat???

 

[wanda2010]

@ Richard - Nope. No Park Run report

I do have a pair of lobsters. I have that many gloves I'd forgotten!

Oh, alright then. You can continue reporting................

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

Oh, alright then. You can continue reporting..............

I've had a 6 mile steady pace (8:30min/mile??) XC about dinner-time, it was quite cool in shorts though
Pushing through the Elephant grass resulted a cold back, as snow slid off the leaves & down my collar

Still got very muddy feet in a couple of patches (took self-portrait, with camera on a low-wall, as I'm kneeing down)

 

[lulubel]

[quote="wanda2010, post: 2252388, member: 9550"Despite my light clothing (I sweat loads when warm) and two pairs of gloves - thin under winderproof - my fingers froze. I had to stick them under my armpits for 5 mins or so to defrost when I got home. Still, that was an improvement on my last XC race when I lost feeling completely and it took 20 minutes under a hot shower, with attendant pain as the blood returned [/quote]

I have similar problems, in that I sweat like mad, but my hands can get very cold, to the point of my fingers going purple/white and numb when temperatures drop below what I'm used to. (My father is a Reynaud's sufferer, and I think I'm borderline.) The best advice I've ever been given is to accept the sweating, wear warm clothes on my upper body, ideally a top with a high neck, and keep my core temperature up. It's really made a difference to my hands.

Apparently, this works because of the way the pituitary gland receives temperature signals from the body. It bases its temperature assessment on 2 things. One is messages from the nerves in the extremities. The other is the temperature of the blood reaching the gland itself. If you're not keeping your core and neck warm enough, the blood reaching the pituitary gland is below optimal temperature, so it sends out signals to withdraw blood flow from the extremities.

We've had a couple of cold spells here this winter, where the temperature in the mountains has been below freezing when I cycle up there in the early mornings, and I was suffering very badly from painful and numb hands, to the point where I told my fingers to squeeze the brake levers, and the only sign I had that they'd done it was that the bike slowed down (which is very scary when it happens on a steep, rocky descent). I started wearing an extra thermal top, and a buff, but didn't change my gloves at all, and the problems with my hands pretty much went away.

It might help, anyway.

 

[wanda2010]

@ Richard - You are barking, although I (almost) wish I was a cold weather person for the running aspect


"I was suffering very badly from painful and numb hands, to the point where I told my fingers to squeeze the brake levers, and the only sign I had that they'd done it was that the bike slowed down[Lulubell]" Yep. That was me getting the keys out of my rucksack to open the main door then the door to my flat after that XC race. I have to say, that scared me.

My core has always overheated when I'm moving. Travelling on the underground was 'interesting' when most passengers wore layers and I couldn't and had to dab my sweaty face. Out clubbing with friends I'd either bring a handkerchief with me or dance less. Now that I cycle commute, two layers works for me (during winter) for the most part, unless I ride slowly, but I need to hang my tops up to air dry for the return journey.

If I didn't sweat to soaking levels now (menopausal) I might have tried your suggestion. As it is, I tend to have to take off all but one layer once I've stopped moving, running or cycling and mop up facial sweat til the body cools down. On the plus side, I've now turned down the central heating .

A combination of heated gloves, heat pouches and gloves under lobsters will all get an airing during this cold spell. My fingers work better when the temperature is 8 degrees and above

 

[MrJamie]

I have similar problems, in that I sweat like mad, but my hands can get very cold, to the point of my fingers going purple/white and numb when temperatures drop below what I'm used to. (My father is a Reynaud's sufferer, and I think I'm borderline.) The best advice I've ever been given is to accept the sweating, wear warm clothes on my upper body, ideally a top with a high neck, and keep my core temperature up. It's really made a difference to my hands.

Apparently, this works because of the way the pituitary gland receives temperature signals from the body. It bases its temperature assessment on 2 things. One is messages from the nerves in the extremities. The other is the temperature of the blood reaching the gland itself. If you're not keeping your core and neck warm enough, the blood reaching the pituitary gland is below optimal temperature, so it sends out signals to withdraw blood flow from the extremities.

We've had a couple of cold spells here this winter, where the temperature in the mountains has been below freezing when I cycle up there in the early mornings, and I was suffering very badly from painful and numb hands, to the point where I told my fingers to squeeze the brake levers, and the only sign I had that they'd done it was that the bike slowed down (which is very scary when it happens on a steep, rocky descent). I started wearing an extra thermal top, and a buff, but didn't change my gloves at all, and the problems with my hands pretty much went away.

It might help, anyway.

Very interesting stuff, I've always had terrible circulation to my fingers, but I don't get the white line appearance of Reynaud's, my fingernails go a weird looking dark purple against very white skin. It can happen sat outside a pub in a summer evening despite my core feeling okay and not having goosebumps etc and it's happened a few times when I've woken up winter/spring camping. It makes me incredibly paranoid about winter punctures because I probably wouldn't be able to fix one in sub zero temperatures.

Running I find a little different, I generate an insane amount of heat compared to others I've run with - bodyfat and the extra energy to carry weight must be responsible for that - at the end of a run when I stop after about a minute I usually have steam pouring off my head and shoulders. Normally I find that repeatedly squeezing my fingers against my palm helps quite a bit and just running in shorts and normal tshirts all winter. However, in line with what you say, this winter I've been wearing a Skins Thermal top I got for about £60 less than normal! Its kinda fleecy lined, wicking, compression, long sleeved baselayer with a high almost turtleneck if that's the term and its been keeping me incredibly warm under a thin top and my fingers have been fine, toes have been running through ankle deep river water and recovering quickly. Anecdotal, but perhaps its that that's helping.