Are we being forced to go electric?

[CXRAndy]

Why should the customer have to bear the cost incurred by the retailer who is upgrading the fleet

Called capitalism. The balance is not to overcharge and alienate your customers.

We should be all smiling that thousands of diesel vans will be gone from our towns and cities, providing much cleaner air. Heavy transport will follow on. Really looking forward to when you can walk down a street in a town or cities and not taste , smell the pollution from internal combustion engines

 

[biggs682]

TANSTAAFL

Pretty sure the staff at some restaurants have a free meal on the sly 😁

 

[Mike_P]

Why are not ICE limited to 70mph?

More complicated but can be done. With an EV it should be very straightforward and the limit could be varied by GPS if travelling to a country with a different limit.

 

[biggs682]

Really looking forward to when you can walk down a street in a town or cities and not taste , smell the pollution from internal combustion engines

Next on the agenda will be to stop all the smelly food outlets from spoiling our traffic free town centres

 

[CXRAndy]

Next on the agenda will be to stop all the smelly food outlets from spoiling our traffic free town centres

Food aroma won't kill you or impact your health

 

[All uphill]

Called capitalism. The balance is not to overcharge and alienate your customers.

We should be all smiling that thousands of diesel vans will be gone from our towns and cities, providing much cleaner air. Heavy transport will follow on. Really looking forward to when you can walk down a street in a town or cities and not taste , smell the pollution from internal combustion engines

I'm looking forward to that too.

Car free town centres have been commonplace in some European countries for years so I suspect the change from ICE to EV (which I welcome) will not suddenly facilitate car free centres in the UK.

Imo our car congested towns are a choice. We want to drive into town but just wish everyone else would clear off.

I think the whole ICE vs EV is the wrong discussion for improving our environment.

 

[CXRAndy]

I think the whole ICE vs EV is the wrong discussion for improving our environment

You're right Vehicles will be barred from town and cities, how this will impact on businesses is yet to be worked out.

Park and ride, 15 min cities, who really knows the outcome

 

[All uphill]

You're right Vehicles will be barred from town and cities, how this will impact on businesses is yet to be worked out.

Park and ride, 15 min cities, who really knows the outcome

There are plenty of examples to learn from in the EU, and quite a few examples here.

I've lived in a 15 minute town since before I knew there was such a thing.

Progress will be limited by the addiction to having one's own mobile living room and the dearth of public transport.

 

[Andy in Germany]

Dpd, DHL seem to have figured out they can do the work per day, before investing over £100 million. The range of 140 for a 1000kg load

As I said earlier, short range by battery van with small loads is quite feasible and a very good idea; I worked next door to the local Post/DHL sorting office and they had a fleet of E-Vans which would come in, park, and plug in. There are and will be plenty of companies making these vans.

Long distance, bulk haulage with EV trucks is anther matter entirely. So far it's the realm of the snake oil salesmen.

 

[Andy in Germany]

Imo our car congested towns are a choice. We want to drive into town but just wish everyone else would clear off.

I think the whole ICE vs EV is the wrong discussion for improving our environment.

Exactly. Half of car journeys here are under 3km, so EV's aren't going to help, in fact it will get worse due to the desperately held to belief that an EV is "green".

The argument is not ICE vs EV, it's private motor vehicles Vs. livable cities: we can build towns for cars, or we can build towns for everyone else. Unfortunately it's a zero sum game and we can't do both.

 

[Andy in Germany]

I dunno, I think a smoky old Transit is part of the British streetscape and should be treasured, like red phone boxes and Belisha beacons.

Does that mean they will soon be permanently parked on street corners containing community libraries and defibriators?

 

[Jameshow]

Food aroma won't kill you or impact your health

But the food will!🤣🤣🤣

 

[lazybloke]

Why are not ICE limited to 70mph?

More complicated but can be done.

Speed limiter options have been available for years. Speed limit reminders also.
No reason at all why the two cant be combined to enforce limits.

With an EV it should be very straightforward and the limit could be varied by GPS if travelling to a country with a different limit.

Straightforward by ev inverter/motor control, by ICE ecu, or either with a 'fly-by-wire' throttle.

Trivial really. I guess there isn't much driver demand for automatic enforcement.

 

[Mike_P]

Trivial really. I guess there isn't much driver demand for automatic enforcement.

No doubt there would not be but road safety organisations and the emergency services would no doubt be in favour.

 

[CXRAndy]

Long distance, bulk haulage with EV trucks is anther matter entirely. So far it's the realm of the snake oil salesmen

I don't it is, just logistics of placing the chargers in correct locations.

Tesla has done it, part of their testing, have driven 500 miles with 81,000 lb load. The Pepsi rigs are class 8 which is smaller, but the Tesla semi is capable of more