BBC Breakfast item today on illegally modded ebikes

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Location
Widnes
Police in Leeds city centre have been getting them on unassisted speed. Drive wheel(s) placed on a dyno and simply checking if the cut-off speed is the legal limit.

I've seen that - but they do not seem to be pedalling

it looked like they were just testing the speed using the throttle
which would make it (normally) illegal anyway

which was confusing
 

classic33

Leg End Member
I've seen that - but they do not seem to be pedalling

it looked like they were just testing the speed using the throttle
which would make it (normally) illegal anyway

which was confusing
If they're not cutting out at the 151/2 limit they've been seizing them there and then.

Gets round the grandfather rights of older bikes, with no special training on them. Those that might have been put through the MVSA are marked upon passing the test/assessment. And will have paperwork to prove it. None of those seized so far have been put through the MVSA.
 
Location
Widnes
If they're not cutting out at the 151/2 limit they've been seizing them there and then.

Gets round the grandfather rights of older bikes, with no special training on them. Those that might have been put through the MVSA are marked upon passing the test/assessment. And will have paperwork to prove it. None of those seized so far have been put through the MVSA.

Yes - still running after 15.5 then illegal

but the images I have seen do not show anyone pedalling or otherwise turning the pedals

Now, if they can power it over walking speed using a throttle or anything - then you don;t need to go any further
but the ones I have seen , the rear wheel was spinning at speed
and the copper was standing next to it

Has anyone seen them testing one by turning the pedals??

I'm not worried about mine as I know it is legal

but idle curiosity really about how they test them
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Yes - still running after 15.5 then illegal

but the images I have seen do not show anyone pedalling or otherwise turning the pedals

Now, if they can power it over walking speed using a throttle or anything - then you don;t need to go any further
but the ones I have seen , the rear wheel was spinning at speed
and the copper was standing next to it

Has anyone seen them testing one by turning the pedals??

I'm not worried about mine as I know it is legal

but idle curiosity really about how they test them
From my understanding they're been showing what they've been failed for. Vehicle, not the rider.
The MVSA, which reclassifies the bike as a light moped(with everything that goes with riding a moped), allows throttle control upto the 151/2 mph cut-off speed. The test is for any where the "motor assist" goes beyond the cut-off speed. Speeds above the 40 mph mark are commonplace, and the motor isn't cutting out.
 
Location
Widnes
From my understanding they're been showing what they've been failed for. Vehicle, not the rider.
The MVSA, which reclassifies the bike as a light moped(with everything that goes with riding a moped), allows throttle control upto the 151/2 mph cut-off speed. The test is for any where the "motor assist" goes beyond the cut-off speed. Speeds above the 40 mph mark are commonplace, and the motor isn't cutting out.

So they have already proved the thing is not a legal EPAC

and not they are working out exactly which category it comes under as a motorbike??


That makes sense - thanks!
 

Dadam

Über Member
Location
SW Leeds
Out of curiosity (because mine are legal!), if they did seize your bike would you be able to remove accessories like lights, pump, Garmin?
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Out of curiosity (because mine are legal!), if they did seize your bike would you be able to remove accessories like lights, pump, Garmin?
When you see them seizing a car on tv programs, they ask if there's they'd like to remove from within the vehicle.
 

simongt

Guru
Location
Norwich
From what I've seen myself, most e-bike riders especially courier riders, don't actually bother pedalling but just simply rely on the motor to do all the work.
Which us why I tend to refer to said bikes as lazy bikes - ! :laugh:
 

Drago

Legendary Member
I see that feller who killed the old boy in Kent while riding his ebike on the footway was found guilty of manslaughter and copped a 2 years suspend jail term.

This seems to have triggered all sorts of editorial and social media nastiness against cyclists, ebike and otherwise. The offender himself certainly can't complaint at the nasty comments, but the thick eejuts knocking cyclists in general besause of this incident seem happy to ignore the 40 pedestrians killed on the footway each year by motorists.
 

Dadam

Über Member
Location
SW Leeds
From what I've seen myself, most e-bike riders especially courier riders, don't actually bother pedalling but just simply rely on the motor to do all the work.
Which us why I tend to refer to said bikes as lazy bikes - ! :laugh:

“Most” e-bikes are probably legal so their riders can’t do that. I suspect you’re only noticing the obvious lazy ones. And because the delivery riders do a lot of miles round and round the same area you’re probably seeing the same ones multiple times. Those pedalling legal ebikes probably just register as people on bikes, especially the more discreet e-bikes
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
Location
Rides Ti2
Most” e-bikes are probably legal so their riders can’t do that
Not in London they ain't and I would imagine the same in other big towns and cities. The majority of delivery riders here use hooky ebikes. There's hundreds if not thousands of them, they are easy to spot and along with delivery moped riders they are a menace.
 

Dadam

Über Member
Location
SW Leeds
Not in London they ain't and I would imagine the same in other big towns and cities. The majority of delivery riders here use hooky ebikes. There's hundreds if not thousands of them, they are easy to spot and along with delivery moped riders they are a menace.

I was talking about e-bikes as a whole not delivery riders. They are indeed easy to spot, therefore it’s less easy to spot the folks commuting or whatever on the legal ones.
 
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