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Grayduff

Über Member
Location
Surrey
New road surfaces in Surrey cause problems for cyclists
Surface dressing on Headley Common Road, Surrey
Several stretches of roads due to be used by the RideLondon-Surrey 100 sportive and the Classic road race on August 4 have been resurfaced using the controversial 'surface dressing' method by Surrey County Council.
Surface dressing uses a layer of bitumen with chippings added on top and rollered in, causing an accumulation of gravel at junctions, and at the side and middle of the carriageway. The gravel can cause cyclists and other road users to slip and lose control, as well as increasing rolling resistance.
Areas of treated road include those around (but not including) Box Hill, Leith Hill and Ranmore Common as well as Dorking.
Cycling Weekly has been contacted by several cyclists who have used the roads since they were surface dressed around two weeks ago concerned that the 20,000 cyclists using the roads for the RideLondon event would be put at risk. The UCI 1.1-ranked road race which takes place on the same day would also put the like of Peter Sagan (Cannondale) and Ben Swift (Sky) at risk if the loose gravel is not dealt with.
This correspondent witnessed the aftermath of a motor scooter rider who had fallen foul of an accumulation of gravel on the junction between the recently resurfaced Headley Common Road and Box Hill Road on Sunday morning. He had suffered nasty abrasions, a possible broken arm and his scooter was a wreck.
We contacted both the organiser of the RideLondon-Surrey event and Surrey County Council, who assured us that the roads would be clear in time for the event.
"Surrey County Council is undertaking its regular summer carriageway surface dressing programme across the road network, some of which coincides with the Prudential RideLondon-Surrey 100 route," said the RideLondon organiser in a statement.

"This surface dressing usually takes a few days to settle and the roads in question will be swept in the lead up to the event to ensure the route is in a suitable condition, by removing the excess chippings and gravel - especially on corners. Other parts of the Prudential RideLondon-Surrey route are being repaired as part of Surrey County Council's wider ongoing Highway Maintenance programme."
Surrey CC were very concerned when we contacted them and informed them that several cyclists had already been involved in accidents relating to the loose surface on the roads.
A Surrey CC spokesman said: "We are spending £100million over the next five years overhauling the worst of Surrey's roads. In this case the roads in question have not been resurfaced but surface dressed, a preventative treatment mainly used where the road itself is structurally sound. It is less costly and can prolong the life of the existing surface for about eight to 10 years, preventing water from getting in and reducing the likelihood of potholes.
"There is some residual stone left over from the treatment, and we generally sweep a few times after treatment which removes most of the loose chippings. This location [Headley Common Road - Ed.] is on our list for another sweep this week."
We asked Cycling Weekly readers via Twitter for their thoughts on the surface dressing of roads throughout Britain, and they were - unsurprisingly - far less enthusiastic about the method's benefits.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/539602/new-road-surfaces-in-surrey-cause-problems-for-cyclists.html#zbB8Hkh3SMhOtOlx.99
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
A few days to settle, my ar$e.

We had top dressings done last year and it was months before the road was clear. Very dodgy for weeks. Even now, you have to be careful which line you take, especially near junctions.
 

mcshroom

Bionic Subsonic
Cumbria CC's latest trick is to surface dress patches of a road. I'm not sure what this is supposed to do other than leave gravel all over the surface of the road and add some crap patches of surface.
 

Flossyrockstar

Über Member
Location
Biggin Hill
Kent CC have done the road between bough beech and ide hill, it's poo, it was potholed before, now it's really bumpy with heaps of really slippery gravel.
 

Hacienda71

Mancunian in self imposed exile in leafy Cheshire
A few days to settle, my ar$e.

We had top dressings done last year and it was months before the road was clear. Very dodgy for weeks. Even now, you have to be careful which line you take, especially near junctions.

They have top dressed almost all of Long Hill last week. :angry:
 

colly

Re member eR
Location
Leeds
Leeds City Clowncil have a penchant for surface dressing. (AKA papering over the cracks)

A road so treated near me looked great for all of 2 days (even if it was lethal for all concerned).
The holes that the surface dressing covered up are back and are now filled with what's left of the chippings. The vast majority of the chippings have gone towards the job of blocking the drains.:thumbsup:
 

yello

back and brave
Location
France
the controversial 'surface dressing' method

On the plus side, I know what it's called now.

That's how they re-do roads here in my part of France and it's downright dangerous for all two wheeled traffic. And as mentioned up thread, it takes a damned sight longer than a couple of days to clear too. Vehicles shift the lose gravel and it collects in piles; on bends, intersections and by the side of the road. The side of the road stuff can get kicked up and spread back over the road again by vehicles and the whole damned process repeats.

In short, I'm stunned it's used as a method of resurfacing. There must be injuries caused by it.
 
Name a council that give a damn for anybody. They're either run by idiots as the OP suggests, or they just don't care (until they get sued for something).

In my local area, the roads being as poor as they are elsewhere, they waited for months to reopen the road down Cheddar Gorge as opposed to putting it right there and then. As soon as the weather was good, they shut the road properly to resurface it, thus depriving the local shops some more much needed income. In the same vein, in Portishead last year or possibly the year before, some bright spark decided to shut the High Street...you've guessed it, at Christmas! They changed their minds in the end but it's just that someone thought it could work in the first place. Local businesses were of course delighted, and the list goes on...

The M4 and M5 in the area have both had roadworks and a 50mph limit for the best part of 4-5 years, and the only things you see are a variety of different coloured traffic cones. The Avonmouth Bridge was resurfaced one year some 6-7 years back and they used the wrong asphalt and had to do it again! Now, I'm sure these (ir)responsibilities belong to the Highways Agency but they're all borne of the same stupidity. Perhaps the speed cameras raise too much revenue to make the work any faster?

I drove through France last year - a journey in total of over 2000 miles and saw two lots of roadworks. Road surfaces over the mountain passes of the Tourmalet and the Aubisque, among others were nigh on perfect (and slightly more prone to adverse weather than Cheddar gorge). One of the roadworks we saw was a temporary, rolling roadwork which took up around 1 minute of our journey and less than 30 moving yards as it pressed along. I don't need to tell you just how poor the roads are and just how utterly inept those who do it, are. They'll blame everything from the weather to lack of resources, but the reality is, the HA and most local authorities idea of road maintenance is crap and they need to put their hands up, admit to being the muppets they are and go somewhere where they can be taught properly.
 

on the road

Über Member
Sefton council have done that on some of their roads, Suddenly found myself getting battered by those things. I thought they done it to force cyclists to use the cycle path but it was on other roads without cycle paths. The next time I decided to avoid the area only to find they've done it everywhere, I don't know why the EU doesn't come in and make it a banned surface, what is it going to take before it gets banned? A death?
 

Davidc

Guru
Location
Somerset UK
It's been the standard intermediate surface treatment for at least the past 40 years and will probably go on being so for a long time to come.

A pain, but there's nothing to do but put up with it. The alternatives are too expensive for use on most roads and just aren't going to happen.
 

gavintc

Guru
Location
Southsea
I reported a road repair in Fareham as fraud to the council helpline. I am pleased to report that the road is now being resurfaced. Perhaps using the term 'fraud' sparked the appropriate level of interest.
 

on the road

Über Member
Well there was nothing wrong with the roads round here that they put it on. In fact the B5193 near Crosby used to be so smooth I could really pick up speed on it, and then after they started to put that stuff down a few years ago the road started to cut up, and now they've put more of it down in that last few weeks, I doubt that will last very long.

On the plus side, after much pressure and bad publicity on TV and in newspapers, Liverpool City Council have finally resurfaced the roads around Sefton Park, they've done a proper job this time and the road is super smooth, brilliant :thumbsup: I think I'm going to miss dodging all those potholes :laugh:
 
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