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lenfield

Senior Member
I use the Brave web browser. It's updated about once a week.

What exactly is being changed? They can't be constantly finding bugs in it.
 

DCBassman

Legendary Member
I use the Brave web browser. It's updated about once a week.

What exactly is being changed? They can't be constantly finding bugs in it.
Like any other browser and lits of other software, it's potential and actual security flaws that are the main reason for updates.
Bug fixes as well, of course. Modern software is millions of lines of code. Bugs happen.
 
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lenfield

Senior Member
It can't be very well written then. When I was a C++ programmer we stopped getting bug reports a month or two after a system went live. The systems were a lot more complicated than a browser.
 

si_c

Guru
Location
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It can't be very well written then. When I was a C++ programmer we stopped getting bug reports a month or two after a system went live. The systems were a lot more complicated than a browser.

They really weren't.

A web browser is one of the most complicated bits of software around at the moment - also one of the most open to attack as it's a vector for further exploits.

Brave is also based on Chromium which is the project which underpins much of other browsers such as Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge and so on, so you're not getting updates just from Brave, but any project downstream which feeds back up as well.
 

Mike_P

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Harrogate
They really weren't.

A web browser is one of the most complicated bits of software around at the moment - also one of the most open to attack as it's a vector for further exploits.

Brave is also based on Chromium which is the project which underpins much of other browsers such as Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge and so on, so you're not getting updates just from Brave, but any project downstream which feeds back up as well.

Interesting that the security rating list I linked to mentions neither Chrome or Edge.
 

si_c

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Location
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Interesting that the security rating list I linked to mentions neither Chrome or Edge.

Probably because it seems to be more focussed on privacy than security - so it's looking at how it handles cookies and trackers, i.e. personal information security. Somewhat misleading IMO.

I use firefox, but I also have a bunch of plugins which boost security substantially. For example every time I leave a website I have a plugin that clears all of the cookies created during that site's session, so any cross site cookies, third party trackers etc.
 

nogoodnamesleft

Senior Member
It may easily be there are no functionality changes in any given release but, most apps use a wide range of external libraries that are continually being updates, improved (eg performance, potential vulnerabilities, etc.). Operating systems are continually being updated requiring application changes. Internal library/kernel elements are being depreciated meaning apps don't have to be immediately updated but at some point during a notice period switch to alternative (often richer) APIs.

Most applications that just want to "stand still" will still require ongoing maintenance and updates.
 

Homers Double

Senior Member
Do you all take your internet security so seriously? I really don’t care that some Russian knows I have a monthly subscription for cat food, buy fish oil occasionally and sometimes when I’m feel really flush buy some nespresso pods.
 

Mike_P

Legendary Member
Location
Harrogate
It may easily be there are no functionality changes in any given release but, most apps use a wide range of external libraries that are continually being updates, improved (eg performance, potential vulnerabilities, etc.). Operating systems are continually being updated requiring application changes. Internal library/kernel elements are being depreciated meaning apps don't have to be immediately updated but at some point during a notice period switch to alternative (often richer) APIs.

Most applications that just want to "stand still" will still require ongoing maintenance and updates.

Thats the annoying thing with old versions of an app. Work okay then a Windows update kills them. Especially annoying when you find the up to date version is only available on subscription.
 
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nogoodnamesleft

Senior Member
Do you all take your internet security so seriously? I really don’t care that some Russian knows I have a monthly subscription for cat food, buy fish oil occasionally and sometimes when I’m feel really flush buy some nespresso pods.
Except that if they know you are eg buying nespresso pods they'll know an online account which they can then use to either hack into or use to push you (or a %age of those with accounts) into panic revealing account details, etc.

And it does happen, even when you protect yourself but companies you purchase from don't take the same measures. I've had cards used fraudulently on two occasions, both following hacks to very reputable online retailers, both of whom reported the hack then a few weeks later I started seeing fraudulent card transactions (both times around £1500 taken and fully refunded by card company). Both times card changed (new number) but 2nd occasion they also hacked my mobile number (the retailer required) and for months I was getting not very good attempts to reveal the new card number ... ended up them calling, reading me my address and saying what they'd do to my daughter if I didn't ...

Failure to do what you can with what might appear "irrelevant information" just leaves you open to attempts.
 

Mike_P

Legendary Member
Location
Harrogate
I have a card that I use only for internet transactions.

Only once have had a fraudulent transaction show and that was after ordering from a large Merseyside based model shop (now no longer in existence) when a mobile topup was listed that I had not made. Transaction cancelled after I raised the query on it.
 

nogoodnamesleft

Senior Member
I have a card that I use only for internet transactions
After my experience (above) I also now have a burner SIM that I used for online purchases where the retailer requires a phone number.

I found changing my number on more important accounts (banks, Government, etc.) a lot of work as they quite correctly impose quite a few hoops to jump through (verifications, etc.). Also use the burner SIM number for people who need a number to call but are "leaky" eg WhatsApp users who hive your details to Zukiniberger.
 
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It can't be very well written then. When I was a C++ programmer we stopped getting bug reports a month or two after a system went live. The systems were a lot more complicated than a browser.

I was a programmer for 20 years

My programs never had bug - but, as my boss put it - they did have some "features" that might on occaision produce results that were not quite what the users wanted

like the thing crashing


but even after being implemented for a year they still managed to find new things to go wrong over

Biggest program was over 10,000 lines - one single program due to weirdness in the operating system we used
 
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