Calling all keen photographers.

[PhilDawson8270]

Really! So loads of togs must have either really good skills
Or
Damn good luck .

I know where I would place things.

I have to agree with @Grant Fondo sony a7r in addition to various pro dslr. Mirrorless still has multiple downsides. Poor battery life, viewfinder lag, slow auto focus, inability to use viewfinder with camera on, slow start up times.

They do a job much better than a dslr though, and that is being able to throw it in a day bag with a nice prime for some decent photos out and about. But a working camera they are not. Yet. I can see them pushing the slr out in a few more years though.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

I am sure top end Nikon is great...maybe one day!

It is. That's the issue. 'Maybe one day' there's no middle ground like canon offer.

If the interest is pro gear, or generic amateur use there's not much to choose between them. But keen amateurs that want the image quality without necessarily having to pay for the pro build quality and speed. Canon is a far better option.

 

[Cuchilo]

Maybe not...if i took that with an f1.4 it would look 'interesting' phones are shite at photos but good at emails/ texts

Maybe you are lost in F numbers and have forgot about why you are doing it

 

[Grant Fondo]

I have to agree with @Grant Fondo sony a7r in addition to various pro dslr. Mirrorless still has multiple downsides. Poor battery life, viewfinder lag, slow auto focus, inability to use viewfinder with camera on, slow start up times.

They do a job much better than a dslr though, and that is being able to throw it in a day bag with a nice prime for some decent photos out and about. But a working camera they are not. Yet. I can see them pushing the slr out in a few more years though.

No i dont think so...once you are hooked and prepared to splash some cash you want better control...
Looking thru an electronic viewfinder is always second best...didnt take me more than half a dozen shots to realise this

 

[Donger]

Whatever @User9609 uses.

 

[Grant Fondo]

Maybe you are lost in F numbers and have forgot about why you are doing it

Fair play but phone photos always feel compromised to me...anyone agree?

 

[KneesUp]

My first proper camera was an SLR - a Praktica BC1. I bought a BC3 too so I could have different film in two bodies. I had a bridge camera when DSLRs were too expensive but it was slow and unresponsive. I then bought a Pentax K10d which was nice and replaced it when it broke with a K-7 which I used mainly with a 50mm prime. But I've not had it out the cupboard since I bought an Olympus OMD 10. Yes the battery life is less but I get around that by having a spare battery (which I've needed once) I was wary of the electronic viewfinde but that too is fine. And it so much lighter and quieter. Sure a bigger sensor will always give better images but micro four thirds is good enough, and the cameras are a joy to use. That said the Fuji mirrorless cameras look awesome too.

 

[NorthernDave]

Cool particularly if you still develop B&w yourself...ppl dont realise how good this is

A couple from the Zenit.

 

[Oxo]

Arguments will go back and forth all day about the virtues of pro quality lens, super fast auto-focus etc etc, but with a maximum budget of £400 for camera, lens and any extras and a stated aim of landscape photography those kind of considerations go out of the window.

 

[John the Monkey]

Which one's the Cameraphone photo?

A:

B:

 

[Grant Fondo]

Arguments will go back and forth all day about the virtues of pro quality lens, super fast auto-focus etc etc, but with a maximum budget of £400 for camera, lens and any extras and a stated aim of landscape photography those kind of considerations go out of the window.

My good fellow they dont at all ...you could buy an 'old' virtually pro DSLR + wide angle secondhand for under 400 squids...it would blow away any new three quarters/compact camera by a mile

 

[Grant Fondo]

Which one's the Cameraphone photo?

A:
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B:
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No idea...they are both mundane..
But a 'proper' camera would give you the opportunity to take your time and compose the shot with more creativity

 

[John the Monkey]

No idea...they are both mundane..
But a 'proper' camera would give you the opportunity to take your time and compose the shot with more creativity

What a charmer! I'll leave you to it in here.

 

[Grant Fondo]

What a charmer! I'll leave you to it in here.

Furry muff

 

[MichaelW2]

I have used cameras of every brand from Zenit to Hassalblad. My main SLR was Olympus OM so I have no axe to grind. I recent!y had to up my camera from a nice Canon compact to a DSLR. I decided on a mainstream brand rather than something more exotic like Fuji. Basically it was either Canon or Nikon. i went to a decent photo shop (WEX) in Norwich, and handled them. With the Nikon D3500, the camera felt OK in my hand and the shutter button was in a good place. With the equiv Canon it just didn't fit my hand and I had to search around for the button.
A tilt and rotating screen is really useful for me. The GPS and WIFI are just toys. I went for the Nikon with an extra Tamron lens. The camera is way better than the kit lens and Canon may well have the edge on midrange glass but 3rd party lenses are pretty good.
Now that the decidion is made ,I can stop fretting and take some decent pics.