Car-tastrophy!

[cyberknight]

And now the car well behind is a Toyota as they still don't have their EV on the market.

bit of a thread resurrection
Given how many companies are laying staff off due to less than expected take up of EVs and manufacturers lobbying governments to extend the zero emission deadline i begin to wonder if they were onto something .They do have a line up of BEV supposedly lined up for 2026 .

 

[icowden]

bit of a thread resurrection
Given how many companies are laying staff off due to less than expected take up of EVs and manufacturers lobbying governments to extend the zero emission deadline i begin to wonder if they were onto something .They do have a line up of BEV supposedly lined up for 2026 .

I'm unconvinced. The "laying off" is just to pressure the Government into relaxing targets or providing subsidy.

• Austria offer exemption from ownership tax and pollution tax, a 500 euro purchase subsidy and subsidies for home chargers and intelligent loading cables
• Belgium offers 15% off vat on electricity and a 5000 euro subsidy on new cars under 40k euros or 3000 subsidy on second hand under 60k euros. 15% discount on wallboxes if you make them publicly available
• Croatia - exemption from environmental tax plus 9k euro subsidy for vehicles under 50k euros
• Cyprus - E12k to scrap and replace a high emission vehicle or up to E19k to buy a BEV
• Czechia - road tax exemption, discounted loans
• Estonia E5k subsidy
• France E7k for low income households E4k for other households plus E5k scrappage for low income or E1.5k for others
• Greece 30% cashback up to E8k and E17.5k for an EV taxi

I could go on. USA, Australia, Mexico etc and many more EU countries all offer subsidies. Other than the UK, Germany and New Zealand have stopped subsidies.

Subsidies are needed for about the next 2 to 5 years. We will soon start to see more and more EVs hit the second hand market and overall prices should start reducing with competition and cheaper components.

 

[cyberknight]

I'm unconvinced. The "laying off" is just to pressure the Government into relaxing targets or providing subsidy.

• Austria offer exemption from ownership tax and pollution tax, a 500 euro purchase subsidy and subsidies for home chargers and intelligent loading cables
• Belgium offers 15% off vat on electricity and a 5000 euro subsidy on new cars under 40k euros or 3000 subsidy on second hand under 60k euros. 15% discount on wallboxes if you make them publicly available
• Croatia - exemption from environmental tax plus 9k euro subsidy for vehicles under 50k euros
• Cyprus - E12k to scrap and replace a high emission vehicle or up to E19k to buy a BEV
• Czechia - road tax exemption, discounted loans
• Estonia E5k subsidy
• France E7k for low income households E4k for other households plus E5k scrappage for low income or E1.5k for others
• Greece 30% cashback up to E8k and E17.5k for an EV taxi

I could go on. USA, Australia, Mexico etc and many more EU countries all offer subsidies. Other than the UK, Germany and New Zealand have stopped subsidies.

Subsidies are needed for about the next 2 to 5 years. We will soon start to see more and more EVs hit the second hand market and overall prices should start reducing with competition and cheaper components.

I didnt mean that the lay offs were linked to that , if it read that way i apologize .
Even so the sales of ev has not blossomed in the way they were expecting subsidy or not

 

[gbb]

I didnt mean that the lay offs were linked to that , if it read that way i apologize .
Even so the sales of ev has not blossomed in the way they were expecting subsidy or not

Reading what's going on, I'm inclined to think whoever (not individual governments so one assumes the COP meetings) is pushing the move to EVs has grossly miscalculated the general rejection of them. If subsidies aren't working, that makes it look even worse imho.

 

[CXRAndy]

I didnt mean that the lay offs were linked to that , if it read that way i apologize .
Even so the sales of ev has not blossomed in the way they were expecting subsidy or not

There maybe a lull in demand in Europe/USA. But China, worlds biggest car market has seen a huge jump in sales this quarter just gone.

When China starts getting more cars into Europe for less money than native car makers, demand will pickup again.

This will begin the collapse of a few big legacy makers

 

[gbb]

How DID this thread get sidetracked onto EVs
I was going to say, i think maintenance is everything nowadays, specifically relating to vehicle longevity and reliability, and yet, I think the OPs car was probably very well maintained so even then its not a guarantee.
Watching YT channels, a couple spring to mind. We all know the horror stories relating to Range Rovers, BMWs, Mercs etc al being money pits and in some cases unreliable, yet I've seen enough videos where one of the above has been brought (recently a 2007 Range Rover) that are in very good condition, show some minor problems that get fixed and show the promise of being a viable car still....but they invariably have very very good service history. The Range Rover in question had bills for £16 k which at first glance looks extraordinary...but if that owner had the car for 10 years, £1600 per annum...for a premium brand car, should you not expect and be able to easily afford those costs ? Dealership servicing, major services, cambelt changes etc, tyres, perhaps an occasional something else major...it doesn't seem so extraordinary when you break it down . I suspect we (the average car owner here ) don't have the same mentality to paying for stuff as our American cousins, so dismiss 'proper' running costs as too expensive.
All a generalisation of course...but we wonder why cars are less reliable...they really do need to maintained correctly.

Equally, I recently saw that cars now will never (generally speaking) last as long as their predecessors because the qua.ity of components and mmaterials is just lacking now

 

[CXRAndy]

Regular oil /filter changes every 6k miles, maintain tyres and brakes. Those are by far the basics to keeping a car in good nick.

 

[cyberknight]

How DID this thread get sidetracked onto EVs
I was going to say, i think maintenance is everything nowadays, specifically relating to vehicle longevity and reliability, and yet, I think the OPs car was probably very well maintained so even then its not a guarantee.
Watching YT channels, a couple spring to mind. We all know the horror stories relating to Range Rovers, BMWs, Mercs etc al being money pits and in some cases unreliable, yet I've seen enough videos where one of the above has been brought (recently a 2007 Range Rover) that are in very good condition, show some minor problems that get fixed and show the promise of being a viable car still....but they invariably have very very good service history. The Range Rover in question had bills for £16 k which at first glance looks extraordinary...but if that owner had the car for 10 years, £1600 per annum...for a premium brand car, should you not expect and be able to easily afford those costs ? Dealership servicing, major services, cambelt changes etc, tyres, perhaps an occasional something else major...it doesn't seem so extraordinary when you break it down . I suspect we (the average car owner here ) don't have the same mentality to paying for stuff as our American cousins, so dismiss 'proper' running costs as too expensive.
All a generalisation of course...but we wonder why cars are less reliable...they really do need to maintained correctly.

Equally, I recently saw that cars now will never (generally speaking) last as long as their predecessors because the qua.ity of components and mmaterials is just lacking now

i just responded to an old post that got shown in suggested threads