Carbon vs ti

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deanbmx

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Titanium is a very difficult material to work with and requires extreme levels of purity and cleanness, any oil, grease or coatings will be taken into the weld and have weakness. Titanium also absorbs elements like oxygen and nitrogen at the kinds of temperatures used for welding which can make it weak this can cause failures around area's which have been welded, its not uncommon to see Titanium Alloys develop hairline cracks over time around area of localized heat.
When welding Titanium you are requited to shield the back of the weld with argon gas failure to do so can result in a weld being very brittle. Any titanium which is discolored is also an indication of impurity in the material or welding commonly associated with using welding rods not made of titanium or including another material as well.

Titanium is not bomb proof, it is not uncommon to fail less than any other material and it can and does crack. Like Carbon it requires a specialist knowledge and production technique to produce quality products.
Like Carbon bikes vary in quality, so do Titanium bikes... There are different grades and different quality's of material, they are not all equal.

As I could not be certain of the cleanness of the build environment in Asia I would not buy a titanium frame from such a source.

HTH

Are most carbon frames not made in china?
 

Mr Haematocrit

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Are most carbon frames not made in china?

Vast majority are made in the far east, that's correct.
Carbon however is not largely dependent upon a clean working environment. I myself produce carbon parts using vacumn bag techniques as do many enthusiasts of this material.
With titanium manufacture a extreme level of purity clearness is needed because any imperfections at all introduces weaknesses to the manufacture process and the product which may not be visible to the eye.
Even things such as using the wrong type of welding process will result in a frame which looks OK but will feature brittle joins due to excessive oxygen and nitrogen being absorbed.
IMHO carbon manufacture requires knowledge, Titanium requires skilled craftsmen as well as knowledge, its not an easy material to work with.

If something is massively cheaper, you have to ask how the savings are being made, is it material quality, manufacturing environment, skilled workforce? - ultimately someone is still making money from it.
 
The problem is its not a small extra. Its pretty much twice the price. Planet x ti is on sale for £800 at the moment from £1k whereas custom ti from the otherside of the world is £450 shipped so its a huge amount more. Although obviously the vn pays for itself if the chinese one breaks

I'm not sure if they can sneak these frames into the country but strictly speaking a new £450 frame would attract import duty and VAT and handling fees of around £120-130.

The Planet X doesn't look too bad value in comparison if you get stung for these little extras.
 
Velobuild may no longer act as a third party however they still edit posts which are critical as such you do not get a fair representation of ownership. You only ever get to hear about positive experiences.
This is exactly why i don't trust the process. With nothing to hide one would not need to edit or remove posts. I have first hand experience of this when my post was removed from the Velobuild site. Very misleading!
 

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Why don't you save up a little and get something like this. You can build that up into a superbike spec.

Edited: or the CR1 if you can get the size you need. That's goood value.
 
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Nah id rather fork out for the scott to be honest. Im going to have a good hard think tonight (wifes comments of do you really need it) rattling around.
 
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