Telemark said:
Sunday was OK still to go out to the shops with just a rear light (to be seen) at 4pm, but returning at 4:45pm needed the full Christmas tree set-up. And it'll be dark even earlier next weekend...
20+ minutes less daylight or nearly 4 min/day
As long as the meeting place is open and serving hot drinks & soup or similar by 11:30-12:00, I don't have a problem with getting up a wee bit earlier

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Is the "Round the Forth" route towards Stirling any good? I've heard stuff about really bad road surfaces and big mudbaths in places, but that was a year or 2 ago ... I fancy exploring some new roads
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I guess that, as long as we have a reasonably bright

day, there should be enough light to see to get back by about 1600.
"Round the Forth Route" (as done by Seamab, Scoosh, Hobgoblin and young Heather Hobgoblin in Aug/Sep ??) is fine and a nice enough route - if you can find it

. We 'explored alternative routes' a couple of times, some of which I have resolved but still got 'lost' going to Linlithgow

. Personally, I reckon it is better to keep to the road to Liligow and pick up the NCN 75 after that. The route only goes as far as the Kincardine Bridge before turniing back to the FRB, so not all the way to Stirling. However, it's not much further to Stirling and, if it's getting a bit dark - well, just 'put the hammer down'

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I'm happy to do Stirling or Linlithgow - where I would well recommend the Park Bistro, about 1km East of Linlithgow just off the B9080, well signposted from all directions too. Bike friendly (about 8 bike stands), good cake, coffee etc and I'm pretty sure they'll do soup'n'aroll too. Can get busy though, so need to be there before the lunchtime rush

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