Ceilings and Asbestos
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subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
only 1 way to know for sure, and you know thats sampling.
it would be unlikely to be AIB and yes modern day gypsum board was out in the 60s as thats what is in my dads house and thats 1965.
as a precaution against respiratory issues from silica dust i would suggest a P3 mask as a minimum. best would be http://www.screwfix.com/p/jsp-force-8-mask-with-press-to-check-filters-p3/1863f as you can change the filters as well when they get clogged.
it would be unlikely to be AIB and yes modern day gypsum board was out in the 60s as thats what is in my dads house and thats 1965.
as a precaution against respiratory issues from silica dust i would suggest a P3 mask as a minimum. best would be http://www.screwfix.com/p/jsp-force-8-mask-with-press-to-check-filters-p3/1863f as you can change the filters as well when they get clogged.
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
its not about clouds of dust it is the stuff you cant see . http://www.fastenerandfixing.com/98-march-2016-construction-fixings.html
scroll down on the link and look at the visible then the white light stuff.
scroll down on the link and look at the visible then the white light stuff.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Another possible question is: who built it? If it was a major builder, they might be known for using or not using it.
Hacienda71
Mancunian in self imposed exile in leafy Cheshire
- Location
- Wilmslow, Cheshire
You could get a sample tested before you go hell for leather with a hammer. Iirc it isn't that expensive it was about £15 per sample and will put your mind at rest. I have come across it in partition walls of that era. Knowing someone who is dying of Mesothelioma who didn't know where he was exposed, I would want to check.
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
Not sure it would have been used for ceilings . I think i know the stuff you are talking about though . Its about 1/4 " - 3/8"thick ? But i don't know what its called
Asbestos insulating board. it may have been used dependent on the original developer. mainly used for external soffits.
as others say, get it tested and then the correct RPE can be obtained and advice from the loacl authority on what works can be done. a licensed contractor will tell you they have to do it all , which they don't. in a domestic environment some things can be done. the rules changed in 2012 and I have not had to work on projects with it
ayceejay
Guru
- Location
- Rural Quebec
Is this an upstairs ceiling with roof space above? If so and granular insulation was used this could be problem too.
gbb
Squire
- Location
- Peterborough
My townhouse, built by local development corparation of the time (mid to late 1960s) has asbestos in the downstairs ceiling, round the stairwell to reduce fire damage to the stair supports i assume. It is then plasterboarded over.
If left alone, there's no problem of course.
If left alone, there's no problem of course.
So what's the make-up of the ceiling?
Joists with a dry lining type board and skimmed or is it a solid (concrete) construction with a dot and dabbed board?
I'd only worry if it was the latter fixed with an 'unknown' putty. I'm currently working on a project in Convent Garden which is riddled with the horrible stuff.
Suspended ceilings from the 60s are the buggers you wanna stay away from!
Joists with a dry lining type board and skimmed or is it a solid (concrete) construction with a dot and dabbed board?
I'd only worry if it was the latter fixed with an 'unknown' putty. I'm currently working on a project in Convent Garden which is riddled with the horrible stuff.
Suspended ceilings from the 60s are the buggers you wanna stay away from!
captain nemo1701
Space cadet. Deck 42 Main Engineering.
- Location
- Bristol
Please don't go bashing at it yourself, call in the pros for some sampling first.
At work, I had to do some asbestos training. Part of it was case study in a school where an electrician decided to rip some old plasterboard (containing asbestos) from a ceiling to fit cables. Got the stuff all over the place and young kids walked through it.
Long story short - it ended in a court case with thousands of pounds in fines for breaching H&S as they all put everyone at significant risk. But apart from money, all involved who were exposed run the risk of developing asbestos related illness.
Abestosis is a really nasty way to go and has an 'incubation' period of many years. BTW, I assume we've all seen the Wizard of Oz?. Remember the snow blizzard scene?. Guess what the snow was......
At work, I had to do some asbestos training. Part of it was case study in a school where an electrician decided to rip some old plasterboard (containing asbestos) from a ceiling to fit cables. Got the stuff all over the place and young kids walked through it.
Long story short - it ended in a court case with thousands of pounds in fines for breaching H&S as they all put everyone at significant risk. But apart from money, all involved who were exposed run the risk of developing asbestos related illness.
Abestosis is a really nasty way to go and has an 'incubation' period of many years. BTW, I assume we've all seen the Wizard of Oz?. Remember the snow blizzard scene?. Guess what the snow was......
slowmotion
Quite dreadful
- Location
- lost somewhere
I worked with someone who used to analyse emissions from demolition sites. He told me that he once dealt with a major safety alert after the elderly owner of a flat adjacent to a site reported some strange white dust on his window sill. A sample was immediately sent off for analysis. The results came back a few days later.....
.....dandruff.
.....dandruff.
Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
Why don't you just get someone who knows what he/she is doing round? Pay them to do it proper.
goody
Veteran
- Location
- Carshalton
[QUOTE 4249475, member: 9609"] she is now nearly 80 and I cycled 12 mile with her yesterday. (very very slowly though)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, she said she had to keep stopping to wait for you.
Yeah, she said she had to keep stopping to wait for you.
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Pro Tour Punditry
Guru
[QUOTE 4249490, member: 9609"]and get ripped off? too many sharks out there, (and note this property is in England), I like to understand everything about everything then when the experts arrive I will know if they know what they are doing. Sadly too many experts are either clueless or, they are on the rob.[/QUOTE]
Quite sad that you think that.
Quite sad that you think that.
