Arch
Married to Night Train
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I know, there isn't an answer...
Well, there is. Emigrate.
Well, there is. Emigrate.
Well, there are answers - one is to start the sort of enforcement and punishment that would actually make a difference. The problem is that this would necessarily focus on the most dangerous and most numerous of road users. It would take cross party poilitcal will to actually do something.Arch said:I know, there isn't an answer...
A far more likely solution, sadly.Well, there is. Emigrate.
SavageHoutkop said:Some teenager-ish guys were about near home the other day; Mr Houtkop had decided to head home at speed (I think there was an unpleasant headwind he was trying to get out of asap). As we're both on Bromptons, one of the guys clearly thought it'd be easy to chase and pas him... it wasn't! He gave up halfway home...
John the Monkey said:But here's the thing.
Those people don't want us on the road. The RLJ'er, the unlighted cyclist, they're just the excuse they use to justify their dislike of us as cyclists. If it wasn't them, it would be that we don't "pay road tax". If it wasn't that, it would be that we "hold them up". If it wasn't that, etc,etc.
Uncle Mort said:Excellent!![]()
psmiffy said:John the Monkey/Ianrauk - I agree - motorists do not want cyclists on the roads - a hypothesis that is proven when looking at the countries that are most cycle friendly - Holland, Germany and Denmark - Cyclists have by and large been removed from the road
Arch said:But then there's France, where they haven't so much, and drivers are routinely courteous. You can almost guarantee that a close passing car in France will have a GB plate.
And from what I gather from people who were there recently, Denmark is not wholy provided with cycle paths, which often peter out between towns. And indeed I remember that Copenhagen only had them on the main streets - side roads often didn't, but drivers still behaved well.
Somewhen, between the end of WW2 and now, we in Britain got obsessed with having a car, and the idea that if you don't, you're a failure. That's the problem.
Although even that is rare (ime). It's as though the road manners permeate, some how.Arch said:But then there's France, where they haven't so much, and drivers are routinely courteous. You can almost guarantee that a close passing car in France will have a GB plate.
Somewhen, between the end of WW2 and now, we in Britain got obsessed with having a car, and the idea that if you don't, you're a failure. That's the problem.
Over The Hill said:Around here the country lanes are full of dog walkers in their dark green wellies and dark green coat wandering the lanes. It is often only the reflection of the dogs eyes or a bit of white on the dog that shows up.