mr Mag00
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i would have gone left and thrown my cyclechat bidon at him 
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adunn01 said:
You are right, going left would have avoided it all, but looking at the vid it appears Ben is already moving right to overtake the car, switching back and risking the car spotting him and stopping is another gamble....
He is going pretty quick and to say he should have just stopped is a bit harsh... ermm inertia and the fact he is not in a car with ABS and 17" ceramic disc brakes would kind of rule simply stopping a bit difficult.. IMHO.
He made a decision and whether it was to make a good video and post on the net for kudos or whether it was to stop himself kissing the tarmac via a car it worked and he is ok...
OP was already pulling to the right to overtake the car. It was reasonable to assume (as much as it's reasonable to assume anything with motorists) that the car was simply going to pull away. OP was fully committed to moving to the right.bonj said:
True, once the car had stopped, he didn't need to cycle round the front. But I would have!
The other cyclist was 10's of yards behind. He was cycling in the gutter, and didn't have to take any evasive action.
Had I been cyclist No.2 , I would have stopped and offered to be a witness.
magnatom said:
Very good. In fact I think the micra driver was his friend who is a stunt driver and was paid to do that manoeuvre.
Yes it's all one great conspiracy. Watch your back adunn01. The helmet camera police know who you are and are coming to get you.......
I have a BMW, find someone with an Audi... a helmet cam and a slow rider to make the cyclist look super fast and we could make an awesome near miss video!
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had a similar incident the other day, me and a friend both on road bikes, i managed to go behind, despite drifting right (plan was to overtake) and being the one leading, my friend had to continue right, he didn't feel able to switch into a left turn to follow me behind.
in the pub afterwards we debated why, came to the conclusion that my friend has always ridden road and only for the last however many years, but i've been mountain biking for about twice as long as he's been riding before trying road riding a year or so ago and so am used to quick changes of direction on a bike
in the pub afterwards we debated why, came to the conclusion that my friend has always ridden road and only for the last however many years, but i've been mountain biking for about twice as long as he's been riding before trying road riding a year or so ago and so am used to quick changes of direction on a bike
thomas
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Yes he could of gone left, but in this cases you make a split second decision. In the end, he didn't come off and it wasn't his fault. I don't think you could of legitimately expected the car to have done that.
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benborp
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Sheddy, I was all but a hairsbredth from doing just that.
I admit to posting this in order to draw out the arguments of the opposing factions in mr cellophanes typical commute thread.
However, some facts:
I braked from 24mph to zero in 2 seconds and within 50 feet.
If I hadn't braked travelling at that speed I would have been level with the car in 1.3 seconds from the moment I reacted to his movement.
How I saw it:
I was already in a strong position in the second lane to pass the stationary car (indicating left) in the first lane. Almost as soon as he moved I was aware that he would be swinging out by the position of his front wheel. From this point I was commited to stopping and I was braking hard enough to stand the bike on its front wheel, to attempt to go left at this stage would have meant committing to a gap that was not currently there, that might not open and that was constrained by the kerb on one side. If the driver had looked he might have stopped earlier in his move and people here would probably be asking why I'd planted myself into the back of his car (assuming I still had the faculties to post video to the internet). Even if the gap had opened I would have stood a good chance of losing control of the bike changing direction right to left under braking, if the back wheel came down at the wrong moment I would probably highside. If I cleared the car I would still have to deal with the approaching kerb - same issues all over again although a faceplant would be the probable outcome this time. As it was I ended up dealing with this similarly to the method advocated in Cyclecraft (no going back now) for dealing with a left hook. I wiped off speed at the end sliding the back wheel to a stop - this is why I cycled round the front of the car, my bike was parallel and pointing in the same direction. As I was on a fixie I could have reversed but I think this would have been taking the piss.
I admit to posting this in order to draw out the arguments of the opposing factions in mr cellophanes typical commute thread.
However, some facts:
I braked from 24mph to zero in 2 seconds and within 50 feet.
If I hadn't braked travelling at that speed I would have been level with the car in 1.3 seconds from the moment I reacted to his movement.
How I saw it:
I was already in a strong position in the second lane to pass the stationary car (indicating left) in the first lane. Almost as soon as he moved I was aware that he would be swinging out by the position of his front wheel. From this point I was commited to stopping and I was braking hard enough to stand the bike on its front wheel, to attempt to go left at this stage would have meant committing to a gap that was not currently there, that might not open and that was constrained by the kerb on one side. If the driver had looked he might have stopped earlier in his move and people here would probably be asking why I'd planted myself into the back of his car (assuming I still had the faculties to post video to the internet). Even if the gap had opened I would have stood a good chance of losing control of the bike changing direction right to left under braking, if the back wheel came down at the wrong moment I would probably highside. If I cleared the car I would still have to deal with the approaching kerb - same issues all over again although a faceplant would be the probable outcome this time. As it was I ended up dealing with this similarly to the method advocated in Cyclecraft (no going back now) for dealing with a left hook. I wiped off speed at the end sliding the back wheel to a stop - this is why I cycled round the front of the car, my bike was parallel and pointing in the same direction. As I was on a fixie I could have reversed but I think this would have been taking the piss.
Eat MY Dust
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benborp said:
I think that would have been classy!
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benborp
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But then you're already on the helmetcam darkside.
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If a car was indicating left (like the micra) I don't think I'd undertake itadunn01 said:
