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Clarkson fans only

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by Aint Skeered, 29 Jan 2008.

  1. Aint Skeered

    Aint Skeered New Member

  2. Ashtrayhead

    Ashtrayhead Über Member

    Location:
    Belvedere, Kent.
    That's the sort of stuff you learn at home.

    (Clarkson is mates with that other twat A.A. Gill.)
     
  3. I thought that at first. But in the modern world, where it's become necessary for most households to have a dual income (rather than one, as was the case when I and my siblings were being brought up), I can imagine it's pretty difficult to find "quality time" to spend teaching your kids to do this kind of thing. I have no kids (fortunately - :ohmy:what if they grew up like me?) so I may be missing something here. But it seems to me that the problem lies within the long hours culture.
     
  4. Arch

    Arch Married to Night Train

    Location:
    York, UK
    I think he's right about learning useful stuff. For kids who aren't academically minded, far better that they get the chance to learn a useful skill, without the stigma of being considered less valuable for it, which seems to be the way things have gone - bring back woodwork and metalwork and polytechnics, BUT, without the value system that says that doing a 'tech course is somehow less valuable than a university degree.

    For a lot of people, I suspect, the sort of stuff people are most bored by at school (Shakespeare, latin, etc) is actually the sort of thing you come to find interesting later, when you have a little life experience and some things make more sense. Perhaps we should use school to train people (whether that is to train them to 'do something useful' or to train them to think and study in order to go on and be lawyers and doctors), and have an option in middle age to take a year or two out to do a more 'academic' subject, if you want.
     
  5. Arch

    Arch Married to Night Train

    Location:
    York, UK
    And yes, you ought to learn to cook at home, but when your parents don't have the time, or don't know how, how is that going to happen?
     
  6. John the Monkey

    John the Monkey Frivolous Cyclist

    Location:
    Crewe
    Regarding time, it depends on what you cook, I think. When the missus and I both worked full time, I used to chat to my son and daughter while cooking about what I was making and how, if they were interested enough to ask, or were hanging about the kitchen. It was all pretty simple quick stuff (by necessity) but hopefully will give them some idea that quick, easy meals aren't just pre-packs that you stick in the microwave for a few minutes. (And that their food isn't simply magicked to the table at tea time :thumbsup: )
     
  7. Arch

    Arch Married to Night Train

    Location:
    York, UK

    That's true, and I learned the same sort of cooking at my mother and father's apron strings. Lots of pasta, risotto, curry type dishes - my evening meal rarely takes more than 20 minutes to cook. But there seems to be a generation, or two, who lost that skill, and therefore, can't pass it on...
     
  8. Keith Oates

    Keith Oates Janner

    Location:
    Penarth, Wales
    As usual, Clarkson has said something that is funny but also carries some merit, no wonder he's always on the Beeb.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. QuickDraw

    QuickDraw Senior Member

    Location:
    Glasgow
    Some merit, perhaps but not very much. He completely misses the point of education. It's not about learning about Maths or Shakespeare or whatever these are just the tools that are used to teach us how to think.

    The examples he quotes are valid but preparing you for running your house doesn't put food on the table. I'd much rather be able to earn a decent living and pay a plumber to fix my pipes.
     
  10. Keith Oates

    Keith Oates Janner

    Location:
    Penarth, Wales
    So a plumber doesn't earn a decent living!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. QuickDraw

    QuickDraw Senior Member

    Location:
    Glasgow
    You're not going to learn to be a plumber, or any other job, at school though are you? Learning how to change the washer on a tap doesn't make you a plumber. Clarkson is talking about "life skills" you know useful stuff your parents should pass on to you. I'm not convinced that schools should be taking on this role.
     
  12. Aint Skeered

    Aint Skeered New Member

    I beg to differ,
    I was a bit of a thicky at school ( not much has changed ) I struggled big time with the 3R's but really enjoyed the practical stuff, like metalwork. (I left school with 7 basic CSE's and O leval metalwork) This gave me a grounding for when I left school, and I became an apprentice Sheet metalworker.
    I think it's pointless flogging a dead horse, schools should access where the kids skills are, and build on that base.
     
  13. Arch

    Arch Married to Night Train

    Location:
    York, UK
    Absolutely! But somehow we've reached a point where only academic success is applauded, and those kids who don't fit in to that seem to just opt out instead....