Clip in peddles - the pros and cons

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Pros:
  • Feet don't slip and you don't have to worry about positioning your foot providing your bike/shoes are fitted correctly. Especially useful when wet.
  • Gives a nice and controlled feeling of being connected to the bike.
Cons:
  • Silly shoes. Even mtb spd shoes with recessed cleats are generally not particularly fashionable or nice to wear all day. As for road type shoes/cleats..... Plus if you want to ride in normal shoes/trainers, most clipless pedals are pretty slippery/awkward/impossible to ride (even spd type pedals with an SPD pedal on one side and a flat pedal on the other aren't brilliant in normal shoes).
  • You might fall over once or twice when starting out (although I never did and I'm sure lots of other cyclists new to clipless pedals never did). Very quickly unclipping becomes a natural instinct and you don't even think about it.
As for all the arguments about efficient circular pedalling/upstrokes, probably doesn't make much difference to the majority of commuters. But it definitely feels nicer imo.

Personally I now find it really weird riding a bike with flat pedals in normal shoes. But it's all up to you, if flats/cages/clips work for you then fine.
 

Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
Even mtb spd shoes with recessed cleats are generally not particularly fashionable or nice to wear all day.

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The Shoes Ruse

In this extract from his book JUST RIDE, Grant Petersen of Rivendell Bicycle Works explodes some of the myths surrounding clip-in pedals

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The shoes ruse


A firm attachment to the pedals was helpful and almost necessary in the early days of bike racing, when all bikes had fixed gears (no freewheel, no coasting), and the gears were low by today’s standards. Then, once the racers got up to 18 miles per hour or so, they were spinning the pedals like human roadrunners, and if a foot came off the pedal, it was harder to slow the bike down and find the pedals again. Toe clips, straps, and cleats evolved to secure the foot and reduce the danger of runaway pedals, and eventually the freewheel eliminated that danger altogether. But by then, the clips and straps were entrenched, and there was no going back. By 1980, if you rode a bike and didn’t use toe clips, straps, and cleats, you weren’t serious.
Then, in the mid ’80s, LOOK—a ski boot and binding maker—introduced ski-binding technology to bikes, with the first popular clipless pedal-and-shoe system. Pro racers took to it, other manufacturers followed, and within three years virtually every road racer in the First World had converted. It spilled over to mountain-bike racing, and today even a few gullible commuters have adopted them. When I see ten-year-olds riding with clipless shoes and pedals, I fear for the future.
Proponents say:
With clipless, there’s more power to the pedal because it’s not being absorbed by a soft and flexible shoe sole.
With clipless, it’s easier to apply power all around the circular pedal stroke.
Neither is true, though.
As long as your pedals aren’t dinky - say, as long as they’re 2.5 x 3.5 inches, or about the size of a compact digital camera - any shoe does the job without flexing, because the shoe is supported by the pedal. If the pedal can’t flex, the shoe can’t - no matter how flexy it may be just out of the box. Besides, the part of your foot that’s behind the pedal can’t flex while you’re pedaling, because your foot mechanics won’t allow it.
The only riders who benefit from clipless pedals are racers, and only because their pedals are so small and slippery. If you don’t ride tiny, slippery pedals, you don’t need stiff, cleated shoes.
And the 360-degrees-of-power argument is just as weak. In studies where efficient, pro pedal-ers and lousy rookie pedalers have been hooked up to machines that measure muscle activity during pedaling, the machines tell us that nobody pulls up on the backstroke. The most efficient pedalers just push down less on the upward moving pedal than the rookies do. (They still push down on the upward-moving pedal - not a good thing, because effectively one leg is fighting the other - but the best pedalers push down less.) Now, if they don’t pull up, you don’t pull up, and if you don’t pull up, there’s no 360 degrees of power, and no biomechanical/physiological reason to lock your foot to the pedal.
The benefits of pedaling free far outweigh any real or imagined benefits of being locked in. They are as follows:
You can wear any casual shoe in your closet - whatever your mood, your outfit, and the weather calls for. You don’t have to go find your “cycling shoes” because you won’t have invested in techie two-hundred-dollar pedals that require them.
Your muscles last longer. Moving your foot about the pedal shifts the load, even if slightly, to different muscles, and spreads the load around. Sprint up hills on the balls of your feet and, on long-seated climbs, push with the pedal centered almost under your arch. It’s not a turbocharged, magic sweet spot, but it feels better and more natural, and you can’t do it if you’re locked in.
You reduce the chance of a repetitive stress injury, because your feet naturally move around more, changing your biomechanics.
You get off and on easier at stoplights; there’s no twisting to get out of your pedals, no fussing to get back in.
You can walk in stores without walking on your heels. You can run! You aren’t handicapped by expensive and weird-looking shoes.
Riding “free” isn’t new or revolutionary, and it’s not just a grumpy stab at the established order. It’s normal, it’s natural - it’s the way you rode as a kid, the way most of the planet rides, and the way you’d ride if you weren’t under the racing influence. Can you imagine yourself - after years or decades of perfectly uneventful happy riding in regular shoes and pedals - concluding that you’d be better off riding in shoes that didn’t work as well off the bike, or on pedals that required special shoes?
I know - of course - that it helps to be firmly attached to the pedal when you’re sprinting in the rain (your foot may slip off the pedals without a fixed connection), or hopping over a dead raccoon, or hiking the bike up over a curb without getting off. But giving up normal shoes for a few rare circumstances like these doesn’t make sense.

From JUST RIDE by Grant Petersen ISBN-13: 978-0761155584

Grant Petersen is founder and chief honcho at Rivendell Bike Works - www.rivbike.com
 

Peteaud

Veteran
Location
South Somerset
I have tried MTB style and fell into a hedge with lots and lots of stinger nettles. Since then ive never used them.

I would love to get decent pedals and shoes but at the risk of falling into more ditches ive still got 50/50 pedals.
 

Hip Priest

Veteran
I use flats on the commute, and SPD-SL on the road bike. I don't think it makes a blind bit of difference really, except you feel more like a pro using clipless, so it makes you feel like you're going faster. Kind of like a placebo effect.
 

Andrew Brown

Active Member
I love my Keos for my commute, sureness in the wet is a bonus. The only downside is when there is too much sand on the last bit of the cycle path its a pain getting the cleat sandy as it doesn't like going back in when dirty...
 

Plax

Guru
Location
Wales
Clipless all the way for me. It's like second nature when you get used to them. I only had one clipless moment when I first started. I stopped outside my house and before I realised that I had my feet clipped in I'd done a stationary fall over sideways thing. Feet unclipped automatically when I met the floor.

Can't comment on if they improve your speed, but certainly when you are going like the clappers downhill they make sure your feet don't slip off. Your pedal having a conversation with your shin is not nice.

Only downside is that despite claims to the contrary (for the MTB style), they are not comfortable to walk long distances in. The cleat gets annoying when it touches the floor as well.

I'd say definitely try them. On my old hack I have dual sided pedals (so one side flat and one side cleated). Very useful for dropping the car off at the garage or nipping to the shop at lunch as you don't have to change your shoes. Having said that I have managed to cycle about a mile in normal shoes on clipless pedals. Wasn't very efficient though !
 

Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
And the 360-degrees-of-power argument is just as weak. In studies where efficient, pro pedal-ers and lousy rookie pedalers have been hooked up to machines that measure muscle activity during pedaling, the machines tell us that nobody pulls up on the backstroke. The most efficient pedalers just push down less on the upward moving pedal than the rookies do. (They still push down on the upward-moving pedal - not a good thing, because effectively one leg is fighting the other - but the best pedalers push down less.) Now, if they don’t pull up, you don’t pull up, and if you don’t pull up, there’s no 360 degrees of power, and no biomechanical/physiological reason to lock your foot to the pedal.

I'm going to totally disagree with this - I'd like to see this study because everything I've read about good pedalling technique shows a foot movement that would result in a pull up on the back stroke and beginning of the forward stroke, and it's something I certainly do - not all the time when I'm cycling as my pedalling technique is still rubbish, but certainly on uphills I find it gets me uphill easier, and I pull up a great deal when riding fixed.
 

Shut Up Legs

Down Under Member
I agree with mickle; he's peddling a good argument, there :thumbsup:. The most efficient pedalling technique* is one where there are no sudden changes in the pressure applied by your feet to the pedals throughout the 360° pedal strokes. Probably helps your bottom bracket last longer, too. Of course, this wouldn't exclude any pulling during each stroke, but it doesn't necessarily require any pulling (if you get my meaning?).

* in my very non-expert opinion.
 

PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
Only downside is that despite claims to the contrary (for the MTB style), they are not comfortable to walk long distances in. The cleat gets annoying when it touches the floor as well.

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True, but that is because of sole stiffness, not the cleat. At least walking in spd shoes is possible!
 

thefollen

Veteran
Sorry if I'm reiterating previous posts (haven't had the chance to read them).

Love my SPDs when on the bike- they allow for very comfortable, stable cycling. You also get a brilliant smooth acceleration when taking off and prolonged momentum when cruising. If you kick, the bike is generally more responsive than with toeclips.

Once you're used to dis/engaging it's not an issue. Although I've gone over once or twice!

As above, if in the racing-shoe-style walking is a little funny; I sound like a clip clopping horse. If intending to walk any distance you can always pack a pair of regular shoes. or as the person above says, get a hybrid pair with a tread :smile:
 

snailracer

Über Member
Also, short toe clips, designed for use without straps. Positions the feet consistently, stops them slipping when wet, bumpy or during "furious" pedalling. Cheap as chips but you need to have mounting holes in your pedals:

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snailracer

Über Member
I'm going to totally disagree with this - I'd like to see this study because everything I've read about good pedalling technique shows a foot movement that would result in a pull up on the back stroke and beginning of the forward stroke, and it's something I certainly do - not all the time when I'm cycling as my pedalling technique is still rubbish, but certainly on uphills I find it gets me uphill easier, and I pull up a great deal when riding fixed.
The study covers riders pedalling at normal racing cadence, where the "pulling up" muscles can't keep up on the upstroke. Pulling up is only really effective at very slow cadence. With a fixed, you don't really have much control over cadence which might explain why you find it helps going uphill.
 

Nathjh

Guest
Swaying towards getting some new pedals and I think this will be the way I'm heading! Nearly killed myself a few times slipping off my pedals in the wet!
 
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