Colesterol and statins

[presta]

Just to point out that the article is ten years old.

This isn't.

 

[mjr]

This isn't.

That only lists points for prescribing statins or other lipid-lowering therapies to those with diabetes and those on some risk registars, doesn't it? So nothing to do with the CVD risk % mentioned in the other article and statins aren't the only treatment allowed. Seems rather different.

 

[CXRAndy]

Starting to go with this myself. Just started back on a more Keto diet. All eating “healthy” carbs like porridge and potatoes had done for me is cause weight gain, and probably consistently high insulin levels.

When you look at the simultaneous increase in, obesity, diabetes and the use of processed carbohydrates, then it becomes obvious we have been lied to since the late 1970s.

Diabetes and it's complications are far more serious and prevalent than worrying about cholesterol levels.

I'm not saying if you already some cardiovascular issues that statins won't benefit the user.

Eat far less processed carbs and increase natural fats to reduce chance of diabetes

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

When you look at the simultaneous increase in, obesity, diabetes and the use of processed carbohydrates, then it becomes obvious we have been lied to since the late 1970s.

Diabetes and it's complications are far more serious and prevalent than worrying about cholesterol levels.

I'm not saying if you already some cardiovascular issues that statins won't benefit the user.

Eat far less processed carbs and increase natural fats to reduce chance of diabetes

That makes sense

a few months ago I read something about corn flakes not being a good idea for people with Coeliac disease becasue it is made in a factory that uses wheat and the flour can blow around

so I swapped to having porridge for breakfast
since then my weight has been consistantly a few kg higher

it could be for other reasons but I have now read that the above might be over the top worrying as the amount og wheat in the Corn Flakes is far too low to matter - except for a few extreme cases

now i have swappd back
OK corn flakes are processed but I use dfar less flakes than oats

we shall see

 

[roubaixtuesday]

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it becomes obvious we have been lied to since the late 1970s.

please don't spread conspiracies.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

That makes sense

a few months ago I read something about corn flakes not being a good idea for people with Coeliac disease becasue it is made in a factory that uses wheat and the flour can blow around

so I swapped to having porridge for breakfast
since then my weight has been consistantly a few kg higher

it could be for other reasons but I have now read that the above might be over the top worrying as the amount og wheat in the Corn Flakes is far too low to matter - except for a few extreme cases

now i have swappd back
OK corn flakes are processed but I use dfar less flakes than oats

we shall see

You can buy certified gluten free cornflakes.

Oats have the identical issue, and again, you can buy certified gluten free oats.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

You can buy certified gluten free cornflakes.

Oats have the identical issue, and again, you can buy certified gluten free oats.

yes - look at the prices!!!

so far my blod tests show I have gone from "the highest the machine can register" to "just above normal" so I am doing ok
so I am doing OK according to the doctors
so I reckon I don;t need to go further
although the threads on the WWW would say otherwise I reckon the doctors are better to listen to

 

[roubaixtuesday]

yes - look at the prices!!!

Absolutely - running a small niche and highly controlled supply chain is expensive. But if contamination matters, generic oats are as likely as cornflakes to be wheat contaminated.

 

[Mo1959]

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please don't spread conspiracies.

Definitely not a conspiracy. Food producers actually employ scientists to work on finding the bliss point of all the ultra processed crap produced so some of us literally just can't stop eating them.

As soon as I eat carbs, even so called healthy ones like porridge, within two or three hours I get extreme urges to start eating more carby/sugary foods. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that I just can't have foods like that any more.

I had scrambled eggs with grated cheese followed by a coffee with double cream this morning for breakfast and I still feel full and satisfied with no notion to eat anything else for a while.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Absolutely - running a small niche and highly controlled supply chain is expensive. But if contamination matters, generic oats are as likely as cornflakes to be wheat contaminated.

it does matter
but the amount matters as well and the amount is far too low as far as I can see

except for some people who have more serious problems than I THINK I have - but I need to monitor that

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Definitely not a conspiracy. Food producers actually employ scientists to work on finding the bliss point of all the ultra processed crap produced so some of us literally just can't stop eating them.

It is a conspiracy to say that we've been lied to since the 1970s.

Lying is a deliberate act; in order for all advice to be a lie since then it means all food nutritionists and doctors have been engaged in a gigantic conspiracy for decades.

This is obviously nonsense.

Now, it may be that understanding has changed; it may be that some food companies have deliberately misled, I don't know.

But give it a rest with the conspiracy nonsense.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Review article on the evidence on links between carbohydrate intake and type 2 diabetes

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-06212-9

From the abstract

Dose–response analysis indicated a J shaped association, with the lowest risk at 50% carbohydrate intake (HR50%: 0.95, 95%CI: 0.90, 0.99) and with risk increasing significantly at 70% carbohydrate intake (HR70%: 1.18, 95%CI: 1.03, 1.35). There was no association between low carbohydrate diet score and the risk of T2D (HR: 1.14, 95%CI: 0.89, 1.47; I2 = 90%, n = 5). Carbohydrate intake within the recommended 45–65% of calorie intake was not associated with an increased risk of T2D. Carbohydrate intake more than 70% calorie intake might be associated with a higher risk.

 

[CXRAndy]

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please don't spread conspiracies.

What conspiracies.

The historical data is out there. Diabetes, obesity, all increased from late 1970s onwards.

The percentage of obesity in children has risen from 5% in the 1960/70s to 20% in 2020.

The same period processed carbohydrates were dramatically increased.

Kids and adults were eating far more fats before 1970s yet weight/obesity was far lower.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

What conspiracies.

The historical data is out there. Diabetes, obesity, all increased from late 1970s onwards.

The percentage of obesity in children has risen from 5% in the 1960/70s to 20% in 2020.

The same period processed carbohydrates were dramatically increased.

Kids and adults were eating far more fats before 1970s yet weight/obesity was far lower.

Alleged we have been "lied to" for decades is an allegation of conspiracy. Please stop.

The rest is assertion and correlation without any source.

By all means post actual medical evidence for your beliefs.

 

[Mo1959]

Alleged we have been "lied to" for decades is an allegation of conspiracy. Please stop.

We have been told the food pyramid which is heavy on carbs and grains was healthy and to limit meat and fat. It’s maybe not a conspiracy but it has now shown to be wrong and the food industry continue to try and convince us to eat the stuff.