Commuting in a short dress - Recommended!

[Angelfishsolo]

hmmm, AFS this really does then verge into very not good territory

As for the opening doors thing- I couldn't give a toss if someone opens a door for me, as TC has said it's not even the big thing here.

Why is it heading into bad territory. In terms of presertation the first thing to do is ensure you control as much of your environment as possible.

 

[007fair]

I see you didn't bother to read Dan's link...

I did But it misses the point which is that not all people find the same things offensive

This is not to trivialise the point it does make which is a good one.

 

[sunnyjim]

Whene'er to Drink you are inclin'd,
Or cutty-sarks run in your mind,
Think ye may buy the joys o'er dear;
Remember Tam o' Shanter's mare.


Not a new problem, this men and short skirts thing.

 

[ttcycle]

Why is it heading into bad territory. In terms of presertation the first thing to do is ensure you control as much of your environment as possible.

Well, you're not asking to control the environment though are you?

 

[theclaud]

Why is it heading into bad territory. In terms of presertation the first thing to do is ensure you control as much of your environment as possible.

I find this statement quite extraordinary. Are we supposed to accept a situation in which young women approach a night out with friends as if they are wildebeest attempting to cross the Mara?

 

[theclaud]

I did But it misses the point which is that not all people find the same things offensive

This is not to trivialise the point it does make which is a good one.

That's not the point. That is a truism. And it doesn't miss it anyway. We're not talking about who is and isn't offended - we are talking about people taking responsibility for what they write, and taking thoughtful criticism graciously.

 

[ttcycle]

That's not the point. That is a truism. And it doesn't miss it anyway. We're not talking about who is and isn't offended - we are talking about people taking responsibility for what they write, and taking thoughtful criticism graciously.

THANK YOU THE CLAUD

I get mightily tired of forummers painting a picture of me as some humourless issue laden, hysterical type.

This bandying about of the word offense- not I'm not offended; I question what you're writing- think about it from outside a narrow perspective and something might make sense.

FFS if another one tries to tar me with either being unbalanced/having issues and/or being offended.
Please read what I am writing and STOP typing words into my posts and comprehend what I am trying to say.

 

[Andrew_P]

That's not the point. That is a truism. And it doesn't miss it anyway. We're not talking about who is and isn't offended - we are talking about people taking responsibility for what they write, and taking thoughtful criticism graciously.

well I have edited my post, it was a joke and it was bad taste but I was trying to be a little ironic which clearly missed the spot..

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I find this statement quite extraordinary. Are we supposed to accept a situation in which young women approach a night out with friends as if they are wildebeest attempting to cross the Mara?

Not at all. Being aware of the potential dangers is one of the best ways of controling your environment.
No Lady should be treated as a piece of meat or a thing to fu*k but an awarness that many man think that way can prevent serious inncidents.

 

[ttcycle]

well I have edited my post, it was a joke and it was bad taste but I was trying to be a little ironic which clearly missed the spot..

I appreciate that you thought about it, thank you.

 

[ttcycle]

Not at all. Being aware of the potential dangers is one of the best ways of controling your environment.
No Lady should be treated as a piece of meat or a thing to fu*k but an awarness that many man think that way can prevent serious inncidents.

This is very telling AFS.

Shouldn't 'the way men think' be addressed (this is what I've been trying to do on this thread before all the labels of offended and unbalanced got thrown in- ffs it's good I have a thick skin). It's taken the unacceptable behaviour (darkly, more so if it leads to violence/assault) and the person who should modify their behaviour is the woman on a night out? WHAT?

The scenario TC posted, is what you're asking for. Do you read some of these posts and actually comprehend what they're saying?!!

 

[twobiker]

I find this statement quite extraordinary. Are we supposed to accept a situation in which young women approach a night out with friends as if they are wildebeest attempting to cross the Mara?

We are talking about the same young, shy, retiring types who my kids have on their facebook pages at some foam party in Ibiza are we, story, Daughter at club with mates , guy comes up, asks for dance, then says"give us a kiss" she says no, so he snogs her mate, people are all different.

 

[ttcycle]

twobiker, in relation to the drinks thing, I'm in agreement - this is what I was trying to touch on earlier with Becs. It does no-one any favours.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

This is very telling AFS.

Shouldn't 'the way men think' be addressed (this is what I've been trying to do on this thread before all the labels of offended and unbalanced got thrown in- ffs it's good I have a thick skin). It's taken the unacceptable behaviour (darkly, more so if it leads to violence/assault) and the person who should modify their behaviour is the woman on a night out? WHAT?

The scenario TC posted, is what you're asking for. Do you read some of these posts and actually comprehend what they're saying?!!

I could ask you the same think. How do you propose that the behaviour of young males is changed. In principle it is a great idea in the same way that making all car drivers aware of cyclists rights. Until that happens a good defensive strategy is required. It shouldn't need to be but sadly it is.

 

[ttcycle]

Riding in primary and defensive cycling is not an example that marries up with women dressing 'modestly' to avoid sexual assault or violence or at the smaller scale lewd comments and behaviour.

The suggestion is absurd!

Firstly defensive cycling does not limit your freedoms does it?