Council Evicting Family of Rioter

[MacB]

where do they go then folks? apart from out of Westminster, a borough that has been accused of 'cleansing' type activities before

 

[Angelfishsolo]

where do they go then folks? apart from out of Westminster, a borough that has been accused of 'cleansing' type activities before

Gulags?

 

[MacB]

Gulags?

what send them to Wales?

 

[Hover Fly]

The linked article gives Wandsworth, not Westminster Council. (But it's all London to me anyway.)

 

[Angelfishsolo]

what send them to Wales?

There are enough Muppets down here already I assure you

 

[Tyke]

So the well off win again, if you own your house your child/you get a fine or a short prison sentence but if you cant afford to buy one your child/you get a fine or a short prison sentence, you and the rest of your family become homeless possibly leading to job losses as well.

How can this help in any way?

Yes if you live alone, are an adult and took an active part in the riots then it is your own fault. But then again so is every other crime committed and the only others losing their homes are those who paid for them with the profits of crime.

Punish the criminal don't just take revenge on the family.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

So the well off win again, if you own your house your child/you get a fine or a short prison sentence but if you cant afford to buy one your child/you get a fine or a short prison sentence, you and the rest of your family become homeless possibly leading to job losses as well.

How can this help in any way?

Yes if you live alone, are an adult and took an active part in the riots then it is your own fault. But then again so is every other crime committed and the only others losing their homes are those who paid for them with the profits of crime.

Punish the criminal don't just take revenge on the family.

You do make a very good point. That said there are rules in place when you enter a tenancy agreement and the penalties for not keeping to them are spelt out.

 

[Tyke]

You do make a very good point. That said there are rules in place when you enter a tenancy agreement and the penalties for not keeping to them are spelt out.

I know the rules but should I lose the house I have had for the last 30 years without problems if a member of my family does something when I am not there and have no idea about or control over.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I know the rules but should I lose the house I have had for the last 30 years without problems if a member of my family does something when I am not there and have no idea about or control over.

I would say it depends on the age of the person in question. If he/she was a 14 year old then your parenting skills and duties would be called into question and yes maybe you should lose the home. If the person was a 30 year old then no you should not.

 

[asterix]

..and if the 30 year old is a product of the householders parenting skills?

 

[Tyke]

I would say it depends on the age of the person in question. If he/she was a 14 year old then your parenting skills and duties would be called into question and yes maybe you should lose the home. If the person was a 30 year old then no you should not.

My sons have grown up and moved on now so I live alone, but I agree about parenting skills being called into question.

Help could and should be offered in that situation throwing a family onto the street will only make things worse as will giving the very young a criminal record that will end up preventing them from finding work in a few years time when they could go on to be great citizens or turn to crime due to having no future after one mistake at an age that until recently was seen as below the age of criminal responsibility.

 

[Arch]

..and if the 30 year old is a product of the householders parenting skills?

The problem is, to some extent, that for punishment to be effective and relevant, it has to be timely. Whether you are training a dog, or a child, punishment (time out, or some withdrawal of treats or whatever) must be instant, for it to make sense - as does reward to some extent, but not so much. In this case, the punishment will, in effect, be a vastly delayed result of poor parenting, so it seems more unfair, and less comprehensible.

I suspect (admittedly without knowing the detail), that there may be a history involved, rather than a crackdown on the occasion of a first offence.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

..and if the 30 year old is a product of the householders parenting skills?

Assuming there are no learning difficulties then the parents would not have a duty of care towards him/her.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

My sons have grown up and moved on now so I live alone, but I agree about parenting skills being called into question.

Help could and should be offered in that situation throwing a family onto the street will only make things worse as will giving the very young a criminal record that will end up preventing them from finding work in a few years time when they could go on to be great citizens or turn to crime due to having no future after one mistake at an age that until recently was seen as below the age of criminal responsibility.

I think Arch has answered the question very well here

I suspect (admittedly without knowing the detail), that there may be a history involved, rather than a crackdown on the occasion of a first offence.

 

[asterix]

Are the children of homless parents likely to be more law-abiding or less law-abiding?

I suspect the latter since whatever chance they had in life hardly be increased by a life of greater instability.

However if the object is vengeance rather than restitution then yes, kick them on to the streets, cut their benefits, let them shelter under a bridge or in some doorway.