Critique my kit list please?

Discussion in 'Touring and Adventure Cycling' started by jay clock, 18 Jan 2008.

  1. jay clock

    jay clock Massive member

    Hampshire UK
    I am off to NZ in 8 days time for a 3 week camping tour. I have camped for a couple of one nighters (feeble but true) and have done 5 one week tours staying in hotels. Bike is a new Koga Miyata World Traveller to replace my trad British 531 tourer.

    Sorry for the long list pasted in below. I have packed it all in my four new Ortlieb panniers (front and rear backrollers) Plus an Ortlieb dry bag for the tent and ground sheet. The rear panniers weigh 10kg. the front 4.9kg and the dry bag 3.3kg. There are a few extra things in there not listed below (some freeze dried food for emergencies), and one or two of the things are not in yet, but the weight will be around a total of 18-19kg (max 20kg) based on what I currently have listed. For the weigh-in I kept out the one set of cycling clothes I will be wearing, plus helmet etc. I also have a small 3 litre bar bag but that is really just for essentials (wallet, camera etc). All kit such as sleeping and cooking is lightweight.

    Weather should be like a good UK summer (south!) - ie 22-27deg day, 15-16 at night, quite possible some rain. I am risking SPD sandals for all weather.

    Any views on

    a) things missing
    :biggrin: excess items (ie what the f*** you taking that for)
    c) overall weight - how does it compare??

    Many thanks!

    ps I will also post on bikereadar...not been there much lately


    Sleeping bag
    Silk liner

    Gas stove
    Spatula, plate, cutlery, bowl, cup
    food tubs + bottles
    washup liq
    swiss penknife

    cycling shirt short sleeves
    baggy shorts lycra
    triathlon shorts
    SPD sandals

    Short fingered gloves
    arm and leg warmers
    sunglasses case
    ultralight jacket
    Goretex jacket

    camera charger
    phone charger
    tikka headlamp
    ipod charger
    power adapter

    shower gel
    hand gel
    hand cream
    tooth brush
    tooth paste
    shaving gel
    nail clippers
    suncream P20
    Washing liquid
    plasters/first aid
    sewing kit

    rough guide
    NZ map

    coat hangers

    light fleece
    ordinary socks
    t shirt
    base layer
    ordinary shorts
    ordinary shoes
    baseball cap

    Bum bag
    eye mask
    ear plugs
    notebook and pen

    cable ties
    spare cleats/bolts
    inner tube
    puncture kit
    pedal spanner
    cassette tool
    fake leatherman
    latex gloves
    spare pads
    spare cables
    pepper spray
  2. Looks pretty good to me.

    Pillow? I just use my clothes.
    Coat hangers? I'd just take a length of light line or guyrope you can use as clothes line.

    Things that I take that aren't on your list:
    -Sun hat for when you don't want to wear your helmet.
    -A tea towel, useful as a general wipe.
    - A collapsible bucket (nice to have, rather than esential)
    - Some baler wire for running repairs (unlikely to be necessary with a brand new Koga)
  3. bonj2

    bonj2 Guest


    You've manged to fit all that in 4 panniers? :ohmy: Presumably your tent goes above the rear ones?
  4. If you take a good headtorch, and you're not actually planning to ride at night much, you don't really need a front light as well.

    Personally, I don't like gas stoves. Those empty cartridges are very wasteful, and bulky. But that's just me and it might be a bit late for you to switch to something else.

    Carry backup fire-lighting stuff (lifeboat matches or a flint and steel). Lighters won't always work if they get wet or get trodden on and there's nothing more frustrating than not being able to make fire when you really need a cuppa.

    Razor? Shaving gel? You'll be wearing sandals, why not grow the beard? Seriously, though, you do have quite a lot of different toiletries. You can do a lot of things, including shaving, washing your clothes, showering, washing your hair, with an ordinary bar of hand soap. (Not cleaning your teeth though).

    Consider carrying a small selection of nuts and bolts, rather than just those for cleats. Also rubber bands (cut some from an old inner tube), plastic bags and the like.

    Finally (unless I think of anything else), check that your mulitool will fit every fastener on your (very nice) bike. The thing it won't fit will be the one that comes loose!

    Can I come? Oh, I've got to work. Damn.
  5. Brock

    Brock Senior Member

    Folded up clothes for a pillow never worked for me.
    Can't immediately see anything missing, I did think the latex gloves and lubricant was being a bit optimistic though :biggrin:

    Edit: Hey wait!... You've got your phone charger but no phone!
    Edit: Oh I see.. 'Mobiles' doesn't refer to in-tent ornamentation.
  6. rich p

    rich p ridiculous old lush

    Best bit of advice - Ignore most of Bonj's advice as I suspect he has little or no experience of this thing. He doesn't even know what a thermarest is! But I suspect you'd already ignored him:biggrin:

    Millets do a twisted elastic clothes line that is tiny and light but due to the double twist doesn't need pegs.
    They also do a washing gel that covers clothes, body and hair. I used it last year and found it excellent.

    Tea bags?
  7. Bigtallfatbloke

    Bigtallfatbloke New Member

    Red equals not necessary really imho. Also cant you get one charger for all the electric gear?

  8. Brock

    Brock Senior Member

    I wouldn't say a cassette tool isn't needed. Spoke breakage is pretty common among tourers, and a little cassette tool and a few spokes can mean the difference between being stranded and a 15 minute fix.
    My hypercracker thingy weighs about nothing and saved me a long walk and a lot of time.
  9. Achilles

    Achilles New Member

    Looks a bit heavy to me - I reckon on less that 12kg all up for a 5 day tour plus food and water and thats with a 2kg tent - the next item to be changed. Some thoughts

    I would only take 1 pan, a titanium mug ( you can heat water in it) and a lexan spoon or spork - no spatula, plate, cutlery or bowl

    Get rid of the food boxes

    Combine the washing up liquid, shampoo, shower gel and soap by using an all in one product - you can do clothes with it as well

    Replace shaving gel with oil

    Ditch the ordinary shorts - take zip off trousers ( might also replace the baggy cyling shorts?)

    Get rid of the ordinary shoes - flip flops or crocs

    I take it the towel is a microfibre one?

    Use you bar bag instead of the bum bag

    Buff and bandana?

    Coat hangers and pegs? Agree with above, the travel wash line would be a better bet.

    you might also like to check on Gas availability/comaptibility

    Hope this helps - have a fantastic time!
  10. bonj2

    bonj2 Guest

    without looking into it I'll bet that it's something that someone who went on Dragon's Den has invented and convinced people they need...
  11. simon_adams_uk

    simon_adams_uk Über Member

    SW London
    There's some pretty super-light tourers on here! I'd be inclined to keep most of the gear on the list.

    Yes, it'll weigh more but presuming you're not doing heroic distances every day it will make life more pleasant for the 3 weeks your camping. 3 weeks is a long time living out of a tent and panniers and some creature comforts will be worth it I reckon.

    The thing I'd definitely recommend keeping is hand gel - specifically I mean an alcohol based cleaning gel. Making grubby hands not so grubby during meal preparation and after 'pit stops' is essential and saves using water, soap, etc all the time.

    Other than that, take more small spares (chain links, zip ties, selection of bolts) and try and cut down on the clothing.

    Oh, and for special treats after a hard day small catering packs of posh jam / marmite / similar. A great motivational tool on occasion!!

  12. OP
    jay clock

    jay clock Massive member

    Hampshire UK
    thanks for all the helpful comments (I will of course ignore any unhelpful ones!). Most of you have responded in a why that sounds helpful and constrcutive (only most!)

    There are a few themes:

    1 soaps/hygiene - in fact for all body/hair washing I am down to a small tune of gel. Shaving is a small bottle of King of shaves. I do not like a beard (in spite of the sandals). the hand gel stuff are minuscule tubes about 9g each I got as free samples.

    2 Pillow. From my limited camping experience this is the ONE thing that is a must have. I sleep on my side, so need good support. I now have a small polyester one (40x30cm) plus a flat inflatable one. Clothes will be added too all inside a pillow case. I am even looking at taking a full size Hungarian goose down pillow which is amazingly light and folds down tiny.

    3 Tools/spares. the 25g for a cassette tool seem to be well spent. If I have a drive side spoke go miles from anywhere I only need to borrow a large wrench, plus a piece of cloth as a chain wrench (it works) and I can get the cassette off. Without, I may have a 100 mile+ trip to a bike shop.

    4 Off bike shoes. Have thought long and hard about this, but I plan to go for a short run most evenings (I do triathlons). Same goes for swimming goggles - I plan to swim 800m + every time I come to a nice beach. My 50g of goggles will make this a great memory rather than a non starter.

    5 the pepper spray is for dogs of the canine variety. not decided about this yet as NZ does not seem to have reports of dog problems but I am terrified of them

    6 Cooking etc - whittling the pans etc down a bit might save 3-400g. The whole pot pan, crokcery combo is about 650g

    many thanks - will have another re-pack over the next few days!
  13. Brock

    Brock Senior Member

    I'm exactly the same, and ended up with one of these microbead pillow things. They take up a fair bit of pannier space, but weight is negligible, and most importantly I can sleep like a baby on them. :biggrin:

    Small comforts can mean a lot on such a tour, so don't be tempted to deny yourself the luxury of a decent fork and spoon just to save a few grams. At the same time remember you can always dump/purchase stuff along the way if need be.

    Don't forget seasoning! I've got one of these salt/pepper pots from Field and Trek. Hardly necessary, but nicer to use than other small pots designed for other purposes. :biggrin:

  14. Achilles

    Achilles New Member

    One luxury I do take is a thermarest chair kit - 300g but it transforms the evenings also agree with the pillow, unless you have something like a down jacket, I find using clothing very uncomforable and you cannot put them on if you get cold!

    I also only use rear panniers - bike seems to handle OK and that saves about 1.5kg!
  15. bonj2

    bonj2 Guest

    that's what the latex gloves are for. However, he absolutely must remember his neck gel, shoulder cream, knee soap, face gel, face cream, face conditioner, nose scrub lotion, thigh lotion, ankle soap, foot soap, and forehead spray. Where would he be without them? - quite obviously stranded. :ohmy:

    I'm still yet to hear a reason why he would need cable ties.

    No offence, but if you're miles from anywhere, who do you think you're going to be able to borrow a "large wrench" from - a passing wallaby?

    Not meaning to have a go at you but I have to say all this talk people make of doomsday preparation for incase armageddon occurs and/or your bike literally falls to bits seems a bit pointless. Can't cyclists just get travel insurance like everybody else, or is there something i'm missing that dictates that while touring it's in fact constantly necessary to pretend to be living in the 18th century?
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