CTC, BC or LCC

[Crankarm]

Meaning? I merely point out that if you see your relationship with a members' organisation in the same way as your relationship with Tesco, then you probably have a different idea of 'value'.

I don't shop at Tescos as I feel they are expensive. I don't consider their customer service sufficiently high. I also think they are too dominant in the market. So in these respects your example is analogous. I reserve the right to spend my money where I please .

Perhaps you should actually read my posts claud?

 

[dellzeqq]

Well,Roger, if you base your opinion of the CTC on your own unhappy experience, fine and dandy. There's at least 80 on this board who have been on the FNRttC, which wouldn't happen without the CTC, and they're pretty OK with it, by and large. And at least one who has stood in the dock and been defended by the CTC.

The membership service is in a state. It's got to improve. User is the best hope for that improvement.

 

[theclaud]

I don't shop at Tescos as I feel they are expensive. I don't consider their customer service sufficiently high. I also think they are too dominant in the market. So in these respects your example is analogous. I reserve the right to spend my money where I please .

Perhaps you should actually read my posts claud?

I did. But they weren't especially enlightening. Criticism of CTC is fine, and some of yours were justified, but the salient post is User's at no #39. I'd say an organisation is only as good as its members, and you'd presumably know what I mean, but in this case the organisation is considerably better than a lot of its members, who seem to think that the answerability should only work in one direction.

 

[Hilldodger]

I would be the first to agree that National Office needs a kick up the arse - and changes are being made. Part of the Governance Review I am working on will address such issues.

Council now has a number of councillors who don't come from the usual 'local councillor / local government officer' mould but have had jobs in the real world. Believe you me, National office is beginning to feel the heat.

Well I hope things change for the better and very soon.

My experience of with working with BC on organising the Skyrides is a good one and it's a shame the CTC tends to leave a bitter taste in my mouth at the moment

 

[Crankarm]

......on the FNRttC,

Eh?

 

[peanut]

CTC introduced postal voting for the last AGM and virtually no-one bothered to use it.

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little wonder when CTC cannot even sort out a simple task in getting new and existing membership registration and renewals sorted. Crikey thats surely where a lot of their bluddy funding comes from.

If I were a member of the CTC I'd want to know where my subscription was being spent.

I know next to nothing about the CTC but as a cyclist of some 25 years + I cannot recall seeing or reading about anything constructive that the CTC have achieved that has directly benefited me as a leisure cyclist.

I'm afraid my view is that the CTC is just another elitist and discriminatory organisation that needs a damn good shakeup from the top down to introduce some new young blood at committe level to bring about some much needed changes .
We are not riding penny farthings in tweeds and plus fours any more this is the 21st century

 

[theclaud]

I know next to nothing about the CTC...

Well that much is clear...

 

[Crankarm]

I did. But they weren't especially enlightening.

Charming.....

Do you have bats flying round your bedroom?

Criticism of CTC is fine, and some of yours were justified, but the salient post is User's at no #39. I'd say an organisation is only as good as its members, and you'd presumably know what I mean, but in this case the organisation is considerably better than a lot of its members, who seem to think that the answerability should only work in one direction.

Well the fact that CTC clearly has operational and adiministrative issues and a failure to connect with it's members is a glowing advert to recruit new and lapsed members. The CTC no longer figure on my cycling radar. I see them as a side issue rather than centre stage. If they want to recruit me then the onus is on them to convince me and others they've changed.

I'm now out of this.

 

[theclaud]

If they want to recruit me then the onus is on them to convince me and others they've changed.

You don't get it, do you? Cyclists have common interests, and the CTC is the most effective organisation promoting and pursuing those interests. You benefit from its work even if you're too tight to fork out £36. If I lived in London I might well join LCC too.

 

[Crankarm]

So you'll whinge from the sidelines rather than getting off your arse, joining up and doing something...

I bet you don't bother voting at elections either.

You don't get it........I really can't be bothered with the CTC. They are an anachronism. They really do not figure on my cycling radar. The CTC members have this arrogant belief that they have some sort of right to cyclists' support. They don't. Wake up and smell the coffee.

However if Chris Juden were to run the CTC then I might be pursuaded to re-consider. There certainly needs to be a huge shake out in the organisation. Can't be easy haemorraghing members and the lost revenue.

Seriously I am out.

 

[Will1985]

See also this thread from 6 weeks ago (just the first 5 posts).

I see the OP is in London, but as a non Londoner I can't see any real benefit joining LCC over one of the others. For insurance they all look pretty much the same. I can't complain about the help I've received!

I'm a member of British Cycling, although that's because I'm more interested in the racing aspect of cycling. Bronze membership is a waste of time, but Silver and Everyday are on a par with the others mentioned.

My personal opinion is that all the organisations are as bad as each other. A united front for campaigning and lobbying would be so much better when everybody is trying to keep us off the roads. In racing terms BC is obviously more responsible as the authoritative body, yet has managed to lose lots of events from the calendar because it can't fight our corner against aggrieved locals and a plod who can't spare the resources. Time trialling is under threat in some areas and courses as well which is worrying.

I've mentioned to dellzeqq before that my personal experience of CTC locally is dire as they aren't interested in people who don't remember the days of BLRC v NCU....I agree that there is a natural progression from a youthful roadman to someone who wants to take things a little more sedately, but as the most visible organisation I believe that CTC has a responsibility to encourage younger cyclists.

This last point is probably applicable to virtually any sporting club in the country - the older guard are being left to run things as the younger generations don't want to or have the time to commit to the organisational side of sport. Injection of youth (and uptake of technology to some extent) could help.
That said, FNRttC is legendary!

 

[peanut]

Then you could get off your arse, join CTC and stand for Council.

with arrogant opinionated members like you publically insulting everybody that cares to have a differing view to your own ?

it was probably you that banned me because you are not able to accept critism

I should say that it is people like you who are the worst aspect of CTC

 

[peanut]

I'm not insulting you. I'm pointing out the realities.
Mind you, if your attitude on a private members forum (which is what the CTC forum is) is anything like on herre, I'm not surprised you got banned.

well at least I haden't resorted to insulting you .

As for my 'attitude' on here if you have any examples I'd be happy to see them.

before you start slinging more mud I strongly suggest you re-read your own posts on this thread before you pass judgement on others.

Your 'attitude' as a representative of CTC leaves a lot to be desired in my humble opinion

 

[Hilldodger]

CTC and LCC would have liked to have been part of the SkyRides. But BC wouldn't let them.

That's more down to the sponsors.

 

[Hilldodger]

Well I'm speaking from being present at meetings as a delivery partner organisation