Cycle lanes encourage motorists to drive closer to bikes...

[semislickstick]

A Dutch study found that narrower cycle-lanes were considerably more dangerous than wider cycle lanes.

Lets just copy the Dutch! They seem to have figured it out, for the last 50 years with separate cycle paths, that generally seem to have priority.

Did anyone catch the bit about this on BBC breakfast this morning?
Talk of some lanes being dangerous.
I think they were in Bristol, they have closed one lane of a two way bridge to motors, one lane is now traffic light controlled for the motors and the other is two way traffic for cycles(and peds?)
A lady from Sustrans and a cycle solicitor campaigning for the onus to be on the other motor vehicle driver involved when a vulnerable road user is hit, like Europe etc.

 

[Origamist]

In the Netherlands I know, but see the Feb 2009 cycle facility of the month on http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/. It doesn't seem possible to link directly to the one in question.

That's a fake, but a lot of cycle lanes are terrible.

 

[User169]

A Dutch study found that narrower cycle-lanes were considerably more dangerous than wider cycle lanes.

In general, my experience is that the Dutch seem to drive closer to cyclists than UK drivers.

 

[PBancroft]

Quite. Cycle lanes are often less than 1.5m in order not to make drivers straddle the cente lane markings!

Well you wouldn't want to encourage drivers to wait behind cyclists and overtake when safe to do so now, would you?

 

[BSA]

Eh?

Highway code states: give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car

Yet councils paint cycle lanes on roads that give the impression its fine to overake a cyclist as long as you dont enter the lane.

Given that most cyclist will cycle in the middle or to the right hand side of the lane that could be inches away.

Surely this contradicts the highway code, yet council and CTC think cycles lanes are ok!

 

[Origamist]

In general, my experience is that the Dutch seem to drive closer to cyclists than UK drivers.

When not using segregated lanes, I also had some close overtakes in the Netherlands, but overtaking cars were often not moving as fast as over here...

 

[GrasB]

Incidentally, I hope that picture in the Times was photoshopped because if the bus really did pass that close it's criminal!

It may well not be faked & if it isn't I hope that photo went to the police, also that guy is lucky the wing mirrors were high up. When I get home I'll try & remember to take a photograph of my shoulder injury, 8 years after a bus gave me a little more space than that.

 

[User169]

When not using segregated lanes, I also had some close overtakes in the Netherlands, but overtaking cars were often not moving as fast as over here...

Yes, I was referring to non-segregated lanes. The closest ones though always seem to be one-way streets where bicycles can ride the "wrong way". Oncoming cars don't like to give you much room.

 

[Origamist]

Yes, I was referring to non-segregated lanes. The closest ones though always seem to be one-way streets where bicycles can ride the "wrong way". Oncoming cars don't like to give you much room.

Same over here - quite a few drivers do not understand or care much for cycle contra-flow lanes.

 

[hackbike 666]

Highway code states: give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car

Yet councils paint cycle lanes on roads that give the impression its fine to overake a cyclist as long as you dont enter the lane.

Given that most cyclist will cycle in the middle or to the right hand side of the lane that could be inches away.

Surely this contradicts the highway code, yet council and CTC think cycles lanes are ok!

The highway code quotes a lot of things but in my experience every sort of roaduser seem to ignore this for their own ends.

I don't mind cycle lanes,doesn't mean I use them all if I don't want to.

 

[BSA]

The highway code quotes a lot of things but in my experience every sort of roaduser seem to ignore this for their own ends.

I don't mind cycle lanes,doesn't mean I use them all if I don't want to.

I realise that some individual road users ignore rules, but surely councils and the CTC should not be creating/supporting something that encourages people to ignore the highway code.

I ride as if they dont exist, but, this means I use them on occasions as they are painted where I would ride.

 

[jonny jeez]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6828100.ece

Print it a dozen times, fold each seperatley and pop them in the back pocket of your Jersey, then hand them out "helpfully" to all drivers that come too close (when you inevetably meet them at the lights).

Then, take cover as you count how many are screwed up and thrown back at you.

I've just invented a new sport, "dodge-leaflet"

 

[Origamist]

Print it a dozen times, fold each seperatley and pop them in the back pocket of your Jersey, then hand them out "helpfully" to all drivers that come too close (when you inevetably meet them at the lights).

My username is Origamist, I'll do better than that:

 

[Origamist]

This is part of my commute and includes some recent changes.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/cyclingenglan...ds/2009/03/additional_information_lambeth.pdf

How do people feel about these cycle markings (see bottom of page 2)?

They were going to deploy a cycle lane, but decided against it.

 

[CotterPin]

This is part of my commute and includes some recent changes.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/cyclingenglan...ds/2009/03/additional_information_lambeth.pdf

How do people feel about these cycle markings (see bottom of page 2)?

They were going to deploy a cycle lane, but decided against it.

The cycle markings painted in the middle of the little used inner lane? I think that is a great idea!

I am a little bit bewildered by this, however:

Putting cycle logos in bus lanes renders the bus lane unenforceable;​

Why should this be so? It is like that strange piece of legislation that requires ASLs to have little feeder lanes into them so cyclists can get into them without (apparently!) breaking the law.​