Cycle Parking - Your Views ?

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fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Ok,

Not quite commuting, but will affect me in a couple of years. We are moving to new accomodation (custom built) for 2 Uni Faculties - over 5000 students and 300 staff, and a fancy new multi storey car park.

The office uses all the latest Environmentally Friendly systems etc. etc. We started out with a 'cycle hub' in the car park, with lockers/showers etc.....

That's now down to using the sports facility changing (OK no issue). There are plans for 300 open sheffield stands. Secure parking of bikes has gone down the pan - where the staff have all been consulted about desk colours/fabric and crap, the cycle parking has been 'over ruled'.

The transport manager has been doing his best, but it looks like trying to get 100 of the 300 spaces 'secure' for staff/students, is now down to 26, in a space just 3 metres wide (equivalent to 3 car park spaces). The chap is trying to take over 2 more spaces to get it to 50 cycle spaces. Car park spaces cost £10k each.

As the space is so tight, sheffield stands won't fit, so they have come up with Space Pods

http://cyclepods.co.uk/products/spacepods?album=11&gallery=58

Now these are about £300 per bike, compared to £100 for a sheffield stand that takes two bikes.

What immediately struck me was the securing bars - both are way to low to secure the bike properly, and you'd need a long d lock to get it through the frame, leaving lots of space for a car jack to be inserted. The other issue is full mudguards being a problem. The transport guy has also highlighted that these would be poor for those staff with any physical disability.

Just to say how bad facilities are, another new build is just about to be occupied, all outside sheffield stands, no secure parking. The transport guy even tried to retro fit secure cycle sheds over the existing stands, but this was turned down on asthetics, despite there being complimentary designs done.

So your views on the 'pods' ? The transport guy has asked me to feed back.
 

col

Legendary Member
Similar to normal roll in with the front wheel stands, but pointing up. Look good.
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
Those stands look rubbish. The sort of thing penned by a design student who only knows of one type of bike and has never had to lock one up.

A small wheel bike would struggle to fit it, wide bars would clash, heavy bikes would be difficult to lift in place for someone small, security isn't good, will damage wheels if someone leans on a bike.

Just allowing bikes to be secured on campus perimeter fencing would be better.
 

Beebo

Firm and Fruity
Location
Hexleybeef
my local Sainsburys has them, they are crap. The casual cyclists get vey confused by them and it is quite an effort for old ladies to lift their bikes up into them.

i cant use them as my rear mud guard gets caught at the base and as pointed out already you cant lock the frame to the stand with a d-lock!

A sheffield stand is far better.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
I've used that type of pod before, but not that design, & actually they were fairly good. The one I used rear wheel at the bottom actually goes in quite deep, it looks like the wheel is very well enclosed in these ones as well, so a short shackle d-lock leaves very little lock to actually get any tools to & taking the rear wheel is a total nightmare. Problem is anyone with a low level rear mudguard will struggle with them.
 
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fossyant

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
[QUOTE 1732820, member: 9609"]What a disgraceful waste of public money.[/quote]

Exactly. £10k per car space and won't pay £100 for two bikes. I had a look at the plans yesterday and went - erm two racks in 3m of space - a bike is over 1.5m long. Won't fit.
 
What's the phrase? 'Token effort'.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
If the pods are located in a secure lockable area then i would be happy enough. For outside use it would have to be a Sheffield stand.
It really does depend on how good the stand is. The ones I've used they're just as good if not better than a classic shefield stand as long as you have a suitable lock. That said there are more ways to mess up this design.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
What's the phrase? 'Token effort'.
250 new people on site. Car parking limited to 25 spaces, after negotiation 30 spaces were installed as a concession to no increase of parking from previous building work. Minimum cycle park allocation 6 extra cycle rack spaces so that's how many they installed. Estate management then complain that people are locking cycles to railings etc. around the new building. :banghead:
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
my local Sainsburys has them, they are crap. The casual cyclists get vey confused by them and it is quite an effort for old ladies to lift their bikes up into them.

i cant use them as my rear mud guard gets caught at the base and as pointed out already you cant lock the frame to the stand with a d-lock!

A sheffield stand is far better.
Yeah, I would agree being of the "older lady" kind ^_^ I would have to lift my bike? Well, what if it's all muddy? Also, you would need a longer chain, if you have a front quick release. I'd probably find a railing somewhere to park, rather than use them pods.
 
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fossyant

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Well comments have been passed on to the colleague trying his hardest to get something done. It really smacks in the face though that the second major build on campus is still going to be terrible for cyclists.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
Yeah, I would agree being of the "older lady" kind ^_^ I would have to lift my bike? Well, what if it's all muddy? Also, you would need a longer chain, if you have a front quick release. I'd probably find a railing somewhere to park, rather than use them pods.
the ones I've used you just walk the bike up to the stand put the front wheel in the slot and push the bike forwards withe the saddle. Fairly elderly ladies & gents were using them fine. That said they're not the exact ones fossyant linked.
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
They have those at the hospital - I spent a frustrating couple of minutes trying to use them (female with not the greatest of upper body strength and back problems) and gave up and used the metal fence/posts/barriers that they use to stop people walking straight out the door into the car park instead. You can't lock your bike up securely (normal mode is through the rear triangle and wheel for me), and takes a bit of effort trying to get the bike nearly vertical whilst trying to fiddle around with a lock. (Can do one or the other not both at the same time).

What are the requirements for a new build to help people to travel to the site sustainably?

And I'm sure that by the time you take up a reasonable amount of space under the black plastic that you haven't saved that much.

They don't cope with different shaped bikes very well either.
 
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