Cycling lessons for learner drivers petition

[Crankarm]

Compulsory cycling lessons for learner drivers petition http://epetitions.di...petitions/12258 only 19 signatures so far. Thoughts?

This is such a crap idea. Was there not much else going on the day this was dreamed up?

 

[al78]

I think it would be good if before you can even get in a car, you've had someone official say to you "Look, this is a serious business, you don't muck about, you could kill someone". I think it really doesn't occur to some people, who might stop to think more if it was made explicit. Ideally, it should be drummed in from school age, in readiness. Too many people treat driving as an innate right, to do how they please.

And/or show them this video.

 

[twobiker]

As a suggestion why not raise the age for driving, then youngsters would use buses or bikes etc to get about and would not drive until maybe they had a bit more road awareness.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

And/or show them this video.

Very powerful indeed.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

As a suggestion why not raise the age for driving, then youngsters would use buses or bikes etc to get about and would not drive until maybe they had a bit more road awareness.

How do you gain road awareness if a/ you are on a bus b/ you ride a bike when there is no enforcement for you to know the law of the roads?

 

[twobiker]

By being on a bike you learn just how vulnerable you are to a car driver, so when you did drive you may see the other side of the coin, using buses would , A, reduce the numbers of cars on the roads and B, perhaps remove the obsession with getting a car as soon as you can, if you introduce enforcement for cyclists to know the law of the road,you would not be able to ride a bike until you were of an age to understand the law,and as can be seen by the Rljing brigade there is a lot of them about.

 

[Arch]

Very powerful indeed.

Yes... and no. After the first few, it just looked like an episode of Casualty, and we know they are just actors and it's all fake blood.

Real videos of real accident aftermaths, no punches pulled. Too many people seem to think life is just a video game or film with special effects.

 

[jonny jeez]

The engine size thing would never work, what about turboed 1.0's etc?, undeclared engine mod's?. Most modern 1.4's are as powerful as the old 1.8 and 2.0's etc, someone that could only afford an old 1.0 compared to a rich kid with a new 1.0 wouldnt be fair. What about motorbikes?. thats another world!.

It might, it does in the Motorcycle world with restricted licences.

Although it is beyond feasibility to actually *Control* the modification issue, there is a retroactive control in so much as anyone found to have modded their bikes at the scene of a accident is found to be driving without a licence (because the modded vehicle falls outside the conditions of their current licence), insurance (as a knock on of no licence) etc...

Failure to declare modifications leaves the driver at risk.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

It might, it does in the Motorcycle world with restricted licences.

Although it is beyond feasibility to actually *Control* the modification issue, there is a retroactive control in so much as anyone found to have modded their bikes at the scene of a accident is found to be driving without a licence (because the modded vehicle falls outside the conditions of their current licence), insurance (as a knock on of no licence) etc...

Failure to declare modifications leaves the driver at risk.

I've been a fan of restricted engine sizes for new drivers for some time. Maybe it should be done on BHP instead though?

 

[vernon]

New Laws for New Drivers:

Cycle/Motor Cycle Awareness Course - Lesson, Film, Pics, Stats, Test
Normal Car Theory
Normal Car Practical

The first 2 years - Not allowed to drive anything above a 1.0 Litre Engine Car, Must have' P' plates (an Aussie thing I know) for the 1st 12 months
The next 12 months, Not allowed to drive anything over a 1.2 litre engine car
The next 12 months, Not allowed to drive anything over a 1.4 litre engine car

After 5 years of driving, another practical test is taken, with a refresher course if needs be.

If this is extra cost on new 'young' motorists, then so be it, respect for other orad users has to be instilled somewhere.

For 'more experienced' drivers, if someone is found to be driving dangerously, 3 accidents or more per year (their fault), 2 motoring convictions per year, (add your own serious vehice offences here), then an intensive course of theory and a further practical test.

More cost might be a deterrent to people with aggressive, disrespectful and ignorant behaviour and would hopefully instill respect to other road users.

Let's also have compulsory training and testing for cyclists too!

I am an experienced cyclist, motorcyclist and motorist and the majority of poor road positioning, signalling and general lack of road craft is exhibited by cyclists of all ages. Some cyclists contribute to their own misfortunes yet elements of the cycling community look elsewhere to apportion blame.

 

[twobiker]

Let's also have compulsory training and testing for cyclists too!

I am an experienced cyclist, motorcyclist and motorist and the majority of poor road positioning, signalling and general lack of road craft is exhibited by cyclists of all ages. Some cyclists contribute to their own misfortunes yet elements of the cycling community look elsewhere to apportion blame.

At what age would you suggest they have that at,most people learn to ride as children and would not understand the concept of a test situation, so would they be banned from riding until a certain age ?

 

[vernon]

At what age would you suggest they have that at,most people learn to ride as children and would not understand the concept of a test situation, so would they be banned from riding until a certain age ?

They can ride on the pavement just like their grown up peers who should know better - yeterday I saw two people in their fifties persist in riding along a narrow footway that was liberally littered with obstacles like telegtaph poles, wheely bins, raised kerbs, drives. Their progress was painfully slow. There was a perfectly good, wide and empty road next to the footway. They clearly would benefit from training.

There will never be an instant transformation but they does need to be a shift in attitudes.

 

[twobiker]

I live near a town where the main street is one way and people of all ages ride the 'wrong' way against the flow of traffic, unfortunately only a few messy accidents will change this.

 

[jonny jeez]

I've been a fan of restricted engine sizes for new drivers for some time. Maybe it should be done on BHP instead though?

I'm pretty sure it is..something like 33bhp for motorbikes.

 

[rowan 46]

I'm a no on this. If you make compulsory cycling lessons for drivers, How long before its compulsory lessons for cyclists then tests then licences?