Cyclists don't count as road users, argues Chris Grayling transport secretary

[mjr]

I might have argued this before but, if you campaign for segregated facilities, the potential consequence is that you create the opportunity for other people delegitimising our road use.

Bull plop. He's talking about cycle lanes, not even protected stuff. He probably thinks buses aren't road users either because they have lanes.

 

[mjr]

I was going to say, someone shoot him, but that's not a reasoned, responsible comment.

Run him over? I don't mind with which mode of transport

 

[mr messy]

Run him over? I don't mind with which mode of transport

In a Toyota Pious fitted with underbody antitheft spikes coated in dog poo sound ok?

 

[mjr]

In a Toyota Pious fitted with underbody antitheft spikes coated in dog poo sound ok?

Sounds OK but does that qualify for the current electric vehicles incentives?

 

[Fab Foodie]

I might have argued this before but, if you campaign for segregated facilities, the potential consequence is that you create the opportunity for other people delegitimising our road use.

This^^^^

Unforseen consequences and all that....

 

[mustang1]

Because he's in charge of something which is important to most people 'Transport'.

Had no idea (I have little idea about most things in life). I wonder if he has some qualification with transport planning or some such thing. Makes me think of a saying:

Those who should manage, don't want to.
Those who want to manage, shouldn't.

Edit: of course the clue is in the title about who this dude is.

 

[NorthernDave]

So, he's opened his mouth and confirmed he's an idiot but that hardly makes him unique in Westminster...
Besides, since when has any actual knowledge about your portfolio been mandatory for a government minister? Transport in particular has always been a stepping stone brief.

 

[subaqua]

I might have argued this before but, if you campaign for segregated facilities, the potential consequence is that you create the opportunity for other people delegitimising our road use.

And the segregationists don't see that. All they see is 5 yr olds tootling along embankment on a Sunday , which is nice, but akin to a sticking plaster on a severed leg.

 

[Drago]

"Chris Grayling? What a chump!"

 

[mjr]

This^^^^

Unforseen consequences and all that....

Hardly unforeseen. It's a known risk since at least the 1930s. "Get orf moi roads" was in the kipper manifesto for 2010 and Grayling is only once removed.

 

[Bollo]

"Chris Grayling? What a chump!"
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A double Godwin!? Say it isn't so, Drago?

 

[srw]

So, he's opened his mouth and confirmed he's an idiot but that hardly makes him unique in Westminster...
Besides, since when has any actual knowledge about your portfolio been mandatory for a government minister? Transport in particular has always been a stepping stone brief.

With a career that's encompassed Shadow Home Secretary, Lord Chancellor and Leader of the House, it's a stepping-stone backwards for him.

 

[mjr]

Any need for segregation is an admission of failure.

Motorways exist. Therefore, motoring has failed. But I'd be happy if we make cycling fail to the same high levels as motoring is currently failing.

Most country roads do not have pavements

Most country roads should be filtered (gated, resident/access only) rather than segregated.

 

[Spinney]

Most country roads should be filtered (gated, resident/access only) rather than segregated.

Why???
Some are major, as Adrian pointed out. But the ones that are not are still routes between villages and provide access to the countryside. Gating them would prevent cyclists/walkers/horse riders using them as well as motor traffic. And would resident access only apply to all traffic (including bikes) as well as motors?

 

[srw]

Whatever the merits of the (extremely well-rehearsed) arguments about bike lanes, I suspect that Grayling is simply an ignorant nincompoop. There is, after all, a heck of a lot of evidence pointing in that direction.