Dangerous inflammatory Rugby v Football thread... Read with a low blood pressure
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Ron-da-Valli
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Too right Accy. When I used to watch Stanley at the Crown, in their non league days, there was no segregation and opposing fans used to walk past each other at half time "changing ends!" Mind you there was probably less than 500 at most games!
Accy cyclist
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The changing ends carried right on into the Conference days Ron, then when Stanley were promoted back to the Football League they had to conform to all sorts of rules and regulations. Segregating the fans being one of them.
In fact we used to get more fans in the non segregation Conference days than we do now.
Ron-da-Valli
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That's one of the unfortunate side effects of success Accy. That and the unavoidable price increases.Still, "On Stanley On"!!The changing ends carried right on into the Conference days Ron, then when Stanley were promoted back to the Football League they had to conform to all sorts of rules and regulations. Segregating the fans being one of them.
Accy cyclist
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That's one of the unfortunate side effects of success Accy. That and the unavoidable price increases.Still, "On Stanley On"!!
Not a bad signing today Ron!!http://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/index.php/newsy/5057
Football today though' is a far cry from what it was a decade or so ago. Sure there are the usual nobber suspects out to cause some trouble but they are outweighed by a massive margin or fans who just turn up to watch a match.
25000 peaceful supporters is not news. 25 knuckle draggers causing mayhem are. Guess who gets the headlines ?
Rugby is violent. Eye gouging? Straight arm tackles? Pile driving ? Hair pulling ?
I enjoy watching rugby and football but don't tell me one is necessarily better or more honourable than the other, they are just different. The crowds act differently too.
25000 peaceful supporters is not news. 25 knuckle draggers causing mayhem are. Guess who gets the headlines ?
Rugby is violent. Eye gouging? Straight arm tackles? Pile driving ? Hair pulling ?
I enjoy watching rugby and football but don't tell me one is necessarily better or more honourable than the other, they are just different. The crowds act differently too.
neil earley
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True rugby is a totally different game , no millionares playing, acting or falling down , abusing the ref , kissing and jumping on each other when they score! lucky to get a pat on the head when rugby players score a try. As for hair pulling , eye gouging, straight arm tackles , think the game is changed in the last 5 years where players are cited and ARE more professional than football players on and off the field , Now I feel much better lol Good luck to all the home nations in their autumn tests.
neil earley
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Union I meant, being from South Wales its the dominant sport. Got to confess do enjoy watching rugby league, football was considered the posh sport.
Piemaster
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Too many generalisations, Both sports exist outside the professional game, which is were football seems to draw its most critics. I suspect most of the football critics on this thread have not stood on the terraces.
Football is by far more popular and rugby will forever be a minority sport on the world stage. Simply because all you need is a ball and 2 people, I've kicked a tin can about so even the ball is optional,
People? Last week walked past a couple of lads on a beach in Brazil, the week before a Saturday morning game at the local park. Organised or a kickabout, whatever the players want.
Didier Drogba and football has been a major influence in Cote d'Ivorie in reconciliation of the conflict there link. Lets not forget the good side of the game.
Football is by far more popular and rugby will forever be a minority sport on the world stage. Simply because all you need is a ball and 2 people, I've kicked a tin can about so even the ball is optional,
People? Last week walked past a couple of lads on a beach in Brazil, the week before a Saturday morning game at the local park. Organised or a kickabout, whatever the players want.
Didier Drogba and football has been a major influence in Cote d'Ivorie in reconciliation of the conflict there link. Lets not forget the good side of the game.
Dangermouse
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Stuff footie and rugger, have you seen how people react when the peloton is going through the british countryside..........its getting silly now, cycling has fans
Globalti
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I've never been to a football match in my life and hope never to do so. All I know about football is that the very mention of it seems to switch off the brains of normally intelligent fans; their eyes glaze over, both arms go up with a kind of tribal gesture and they utter primitive groaning and grunting noises. Presumably that's what they do on the terraces?
Good point. Many more people take part in football and rugby than those who are paid. They do it simply because they enjoy playing. Just like we on here cycle because we enjoy it or simply as transport.
simon.r
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I do think that public perceptions of football fans are based on the reputation built up last century.
I'm a LCFC fan - a regular at most home and quite a few away games in the 80's / 90's but rarely attend now. Having said that, in the last few weeks I've been to an away (Birmingham) and a home (Forest) game.
It's remarkable how the atmosphere and conduct of fans has changed in the last couple of decades. 20 years ago, going to a game against Forest was a guarantee of abusive chanting, objects being thrown and at the very least a few scuffles. Last week the worst I saw was a few 'come and have a go' type gestures. No fighting and no abusive chants (at least not that I heard, although I was some way from the noisy section of the crowd). Fans were mixing freely outside the ground and it felt absolutely safe.
Similar scenes at Birmingham - definitely no hint of any trouble.
Would I like to be on a train full of defeated football fans? Probably not to be honest, but I doubt I'd feel threatened in the vast majority of cases.
(I do appreciate that you only mentioned LCFC because of the Tigers connection, but I'd sat we're fairly 'average' in terms of crowd behaviour).
Ghost Donkey
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[QUOTE 2144378, member: 259"]Yes, but which rugby do you mean?
Where I was brought up, Rugby Union was the posh sport. I was expected to be into it and I found it mostly as dull as ditchwater. It seemed to consist of fat buggers, not doing much running around, but lots of shouting and drinking.
I really rated rugby league, but it was never going to happen in the midlands.[/quote]
Rugby league is as working class as football and was more so when I was a kid. Very few full time professional teams then. In both codes the referee has more control and respect from the players and the ten yard rule and sin binning are good disciplinary procedures. I don't know if this has the effect of calmer crowds when the players aren't running after the ref shouting and swearing at them. The ten yard rule wouldn't have too much impact in football. Sin binning was so good rugby union adopted a rule from rugby league. For either code to give credit to the other is rare. Spectators do give the ref grief but no where near as much as football.
As far as football is concerned I like the game but not the minority (?) of professional players who create the bad media. I understand players trying to get penalties, decisions going their way etc but it doesn't make good viewing IMO. I like Union, prefer league. I love fighting sports and endurance sports which probably doesn't help when watching football players role around trying to get a decision. Supporters? There's good and bad in all clubs. I grew up near Leeds and there's always been problems with a minority of supporters (and players!) at games and away from games too.
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[QUOTE 2144378, member: 259"]Yes, but which rugby do you mean?
Where I was brought up, Rugby Union was the posh sport. I was expected to be into it and I found it mostly as dull as ditchwater. It seemed to consist of fat buggers, not doing much running around, but lots of shouting and drinking.
I really rated rugby league, but it was never going to happen in the midlands.[/quote]
Rugby league is as working class as football and was more so when I was a kid. Very few full time professional teams then. In both codes the referee has more control and respect from the players and the ten yard rule and sin binning are good disciplinary procedures. I don't know if this has the effect of calmer crowds when the players aren't running after the ref shouting and swearing at them. The ten yard rule wouldn't have too much impact in football. Sin binning was so good rugby union adopted a rule from rugby league. For either code to give credit to the other is rare. Spectators do give the ref grief but no where near as much as football.
As far as football is concerned I like the game but not the minority (?) of professional players who create the bad media. I understand players trying to get penalties, decisions going their way etc but it doesn't make good viewing IMO. I like Union, prefer league. I love fighting sports and endurance sports which probably doesn't help when watching football players role around trying to get a decision. Supporters? There's good and bad in all clubs. I grew up near Leeds and there's always been problems with a minority of supporters (and players!) at games and away from games too.
