Derailleur cage jumping - Why??

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almostvegancyclist

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Hi all,

Looking for help with an issue I haven't come across before

Brand new cassette & chain, derailleur is indexed perfectly, chain sized correctly, b screw set correctly as well.

But the rear derailleur cage is jumping and bouncing when pedalling (but not when turning cranks on a stand) in all gears and only in the small chainring. In the big chainring, everything is fine!

What could be the cause??
 

presta

Legendary Member
Hi all,

Looking for help with an issue I haven't come across before

Brand new cassette & chain, derailleur is indexed perfectly, chain sized correctly, b screw set correctly as well.

But the rear derailleur cage is jumping and bouncing when pedalling (but not when turning cranks on a stand) in all gears and only in the small chainring. In the big chainring, everything is fine!

What could be the cause??

Is your chain too long, did you make sure you're fitting the same number of links as the chain that you took off?
 

presta

Legendary Member
What does he mean by size, correct length or correct width? Is the sprocket the same number of teeth?

Either way, is the chain too long?

The other possibility is a derailleur that doesn't have sufficient capacity.
 
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almostvegancyclist

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Is your chain too long, did you make sure you're fitting the same number of links as the chain that you took off?

You are assuming the old chain was correct. The OP says the new chain is sized correctly, but it would be interesting to know the method used to size it.

Happy to explain further but grab a cup of tea as this is a bit involved...

Short answer is that I don't think the chain is too long. If anything I think it's too short - but I could be wrong.

Long answer: I have an unusual setup, with a Deore M4120 RD & GRX 600 2x cranks. Rear cassette is 11-42 & chainrings are 46-30. So this goes over the official RD capacity which is 41t [(42-11)+(46-30)=47t]. However, I ignore the largest sprocket when sizing the chain, so treat the 36t sprocket (which is the next one down) as the largest. This gives me [(36-11)+(46-30)=41t] which is within the derailleur capacity. And I avoid going big-big.

This set up has been working fine for me, as I can use all gears except the big-big combination. The chain doesn't lose tension in the small chainring and it was shifting fine. I used Calvin Jones' method (wrap chain around largest sprocket & chainring then add 2 links).

But once or twice, I have accidentally gone in to the combination I should avoid. So to avoid damaging the drivetrain, I decided to use an extra link in case this happens again. So when I changed the chain yesterday, I used an extra link. I checked that the chain still is tensioned properly even in the small-small combination.

Then the problem as I described above began, with the gear cage bouncing, in the small ring only. OK at this point you may think that it's the extra link that's causing the issue, and so did I. So I removed the extra link and put the chain back on. But it only made the problem worse! So it wasn't due to the chain length.

Then I thought it might be due to the worn cassette. It didn't seem worn to me, but I changed it anyway just in case. And the problem hasn't gone away. And that's my crazy chain story.
 

Ian H

Ancient randonneur
You could try screwing the cable adjuster in a quarter or possibly half a turn.
Check the chain is routed correctly through the cage.
Check for any stiff links.
Check the chain is the correct width for whatever number of sprockets you have.
 

teeonethousand

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Has something gone wrong in the hub causing the cassette to move under stress and that move only interferes with the chain when at the angle of inner ring. If you know what I mean.
 
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almostvegancyclist

almostvegancyclist

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Has something gone wrong in the hub causing the cassette to move under stress and that move only interferes with the chain when at the angle of inner ring. If you know what I mean.

Good suggestion but I don't think that's what it is. It's a new wheel and I checked the cassette was in properly when I was putting it on. Will double check however.
 

teeonethousand

Über Member
Good suggestion but I don't think that's what it is. It's a new wheel and I checked the cassette was in properly when I was putting it on. Will double check however.

When mine did that is was the chain that was worn (I was only 800 miles into a new bike and didn't think it could be that but..) so my next guess would be the chain spec is wrong - even if it was in the right box
 

Webbo2

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Is the chain joined with a quick link. I once put a new chain on and connected with link provided. It kept jumping no matter what I did with it, you could see it sticking if you pedalled the chain backwards. Put the link on from the old chain and every thing was fine.
 
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almostvegancyclist

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Is the chain joined with a quick link. I once put a new chain on and connected with link provided. It kept jumping no matter what I did with it, you could see it sticking if you pedalled the chain backwards. Put the link on from the old chain and every thing was fine.

Yes it's a quick link chain, but it doesn't jump at one point. Rather, it drags the derailleur cage whenever I put power down. It's something to do with the interface of the new chain and the rest of the drivetrain. I just put back on the dirty old chain and the issue goes away!
 

Webbo2

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Yes it's a quick link chain, but it doesn't jump at one point. Rather, it drags the derailleur cage whenever I put power down. It's something to do with the interface of the new chain and the rest of the drivetrain. I just put back on the dirty old chain and the issue goes away!

Even if you pedal the chain backward. Is it worth trying the chain with a different quick link.
 

roubaixtuesday

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Yes it's a quick link chain, but it doesn't jump at one point. Rather, it drags the derailleur cage whenever I put power down. It's something to do with the interface of the new chain and the rest of the drivetrain. I just put back on the dirty old chain and the issue goes away!

Sounds like chain suck on a worn front ring?
 
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