Dodgy RLJing or not?

[BentMikey]

This video, of an artic:


View: http://youtu.be/5kRWF2arVO0

 

[davefb]

the normal reason would be 'you wouldnt want it to have tried to stop' . seemed to be moving at quite a pace though..

 

[Mad at urage]

He shouldn't be approaching lights so fast that he couldn't stop if they changed to red. Careless driving IMO.

Edit to add: There's always a point of no return: "I'll go if they start to change now because I can no longer safely stop", but if you've reached that point and they are still green, they won't be red when you pass them.

BM had several seconds to notice the change and start slowing. so did the lorry driver.

 

[BentMikey]

I didn't have to brake at all hard, nor was my reaction time ever more than lazy and relaxed. I guess I was just after seeing whether it'd be worth reporting this?

 

[Mad at urage]

I didn't have to brake at all hard, nor was my reaction time ever more than lazy and relaxed. I guess I was just after seeing whether it'd be worth reporting this?

Errrr... I think that's what I said! You clearly reacted to changing lights several seconds before arriving. Lorry driver should have been doing the same; instead he proceeded to overtake when he was approaching lights that were already changing.

Edit: (definition a bit poor - does the lens need cleaning ?) At 4 seconds the light has clearly started to change (and you are slowing), but 5 seconds later the lorry overtakes, clearly not having slowed significantly and ploughs straight through the red.

I'd report it!

 

[BentMikey]

Sorry, I was agreeing with you and supporting your viewpoint.

 

[Mad at urage]

No!! I was agreeing with you and supporting your viewpoint !!!



Bl dy internet communication

 

[Scruffmonster]

The fact that you put a question mark suggests that you shouldnt have bothered posting. Should he have stopped, probably, would he have stopped if those identical circumstances happened at the next set of lights? Again, probably.

People are way too harsh on motorists for the main part. This could have been the guy's only mistake/error of judgement on his whole journey (that may have been a huge journey) yet even though it's borderline you're asking if you should report it?

I guarantee that the average cyclist on here makes just as many mistakes on their commute as the average motorist. The only difference is that cyclists are documenting motorists. Everyone has good days, everyone has bad days.

I freely admit that I've shouted at some motorists who have performed some shocking passes at high speed, or cut me up, or whatever... but until cyclists start using a bit of common sense and stop looking to persecute anyone that doesnt drive without error, we're never going to get along.

We cant ALWAYS be in the right. I followed a cyclist this morning for about 7 miles and I was in awe, he judged lights, filtered smoothly, owned his lane when needed, I thought 'I hope I look that in control to an observer... then he stuffed it all up by cutting up a white van. It doesnt make him a bad cyclist, in his head he's thinking 'Why the fcuk did I do that, wake up man', just as that truck driver probably was.

 

[BentMikey]

That's a fair point, well made. I guess my point of view is that if another vehicle, a normal car or motorbike, made that move, I'd have reported without question. I was asking mostly because I don't know that much about stopping distances of artics. Perhaps I should have just pm'd Rhythm Thief?

As for simple mistakes, the potential consequences for a mistake like this for others are rather large when the vehicle involved is an artic, so I'm not so tolerant.

 

[Scruffmonster]

I would never report anyone for anything like that, but that's just me. I've reported two things in my time, one a truly shocking courier van that zigzagged, lane hopped, close passed for a solid 2 mile stretch (lights kept me with him). The other was a taxi that tried to pinch me at some lights, as in he saw me, pulled across, I had nowhere to go but forward so I accelerated, he then accelerated as close as stupidly possible, tooted, shouted out of his window.

Both instances were genuine bad driving. Not mistakes, lapses in concentration, or errors of judgement.

EVERYONE makes mistakes. Peds step off kerbs, cyclists gamble on amber just as cars do, cars forget to look in their mirrors, cyclists forget to signal, the list goes on.

We cant expect infallibility from anyone.

I feel we should all keep a mental ladder of escalation. You cant bring out the big guns of reporting that for 'Dangerous Driving' otherwise the really dangerous stuff is lost as white noise. We'll all be accused of crying wolf before too long.

That said, I know that being on that road, having it thunder past me, knowing that I had stopped, it would have felt a bit 'more wrong'.

Aaaaanyways... 1hr 20 until hometime.

P to the S... I have never seen a 'bent on my commute (Lon-Sidcup/Hextable)

 

[davefb]

I didn't have to brake at all hard, nor was my reaction time ever more than lazy and relaxed. I guess I was just after seeing whether it'd be worth reporting this?

he looked like he could have been doing 40 , whats the limit down there ?

tbh, thats more worrying large vehicles like that flying around what are busy roads..

 

[400bhp]

I would never report anyone for anything like that, but that's just me. I've reported two things in my time, one a truly shocking courier van that zigzagged, lane hopped, close passed for a solid 2 mile stretch (lights kept me with him). The other was a taxi that tried to pinch me at some lights, as in he saw me, pulled across, I had nowhere to go but forward so I accelerated, he then accelerated as close as stupidly possible, tooted, shouted out of his window.

Both instances were genuine bad driving. Not mistakes, lapses in concentration, or errors of judgement.

EVERYONE makes mistakes. Peds step off kerbs, cyclists gamble on amber just as cars do, cars forget to look in their mirrors, cyclists forget to signal, the list goes on.

We cant expect infallibility from anyone.

I feel we should all keep a mental ladder of escalation. You cant bring out the big guns of reporting that for 'Dangerous Driving' otherwise the really dangerous stuff is lost as white noise. We'll all be accused of crying wolf before too long.

That said, I know that being on that road, having it thunder past me, knowing that I had stopped, it would have felt a bit 'more wrong'.

Aaaaanyways... 1hr 20 until hometime.

P to the S... I have never seen a 'bent on my commute (Lon-Sidcup/Hextable)

Some very good points

 

[mumbo jumbo]

Poor anticpation really. There is a point of no return. If he'd thrown out the anchor he'd probably have stopped in the middle of the junction which isn't going to do anyone any good. You see it all the time with cars occupying ASLs. The driver's right not to RLJ. But at the same time it can be positively dangerous to effectively emergency stop in traffic just so as not to cross the white line. Result - car in ASL. Least of all available evils. As for the artic, I'd leave it be.

mj