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Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
IPT will be WT in about 4 months time though....

But can we do the pro teams as well? I see more gambling, places, finance and petro in there - plus some big pharma. And given some of the pro eams are at every WT race anyway it gives a better picture to include them
You don't want much do you?

Men's Pro Teams

Engineering/construction(4): Bardiani; CSF; Premier Tech; VF Group
Cycling/sports(2): BH Bikes; Q36.5
Finance/insurance(2): Baloise; Caja Rural - Seguros RGA
Food(2): Bazin; Wagner
Gambling(2): Lotto; Unibet
Petrochemicals and renewables(2): TotalEnergies; Uno-X Mobility
Pharmaceuticals(2): Kern Pharma; Novo Nordisk
Places(2): Israel; VisitMalta
Appliances(1): Polti
Building Supplies(1): Faizanè
Software(1): Solution Tech
Telco(1): Euskaltel
Watches(1): Tudor
Wines(1): Vini Fantini
Wood pellet fuel(1): Burpellet

Women's Pro Teams

Finance/insurance(3): Arkéa; Cofidis; Laboral Kutxa
Cycling/sports(2): Orange Seal; Winspace
Food(2): Oatly; St Michel
Education(1): EF Education
Engineering/construction(1): Volker Wessels
Hotels(1): B&B Hotels
Property(1): Preference Home
 

No Ta Doctor

Über Member
You don't want much do you?

This is a prestigious cycling forum and we have standards.

At least, that's what they told me when I arrived here in the recent BRexodus. Have I been misled? I can quite easily let my standards slip even further
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Doing all this research makes me wonder why the heck businesses chuck money into cycling at all.

Some of them are easy to understand. Pushing your brand name into the public eye makes sense for organisations with a consumer base like Lidl or Unibet or Oatly. Some brands like Shell (I know they aren't sponsoring a team) or DirectEnergie might see cycling as a chance to greenwash their public brand image. But others are harder to understand.

Take Ceratizit. They are really niche cutting tools and cemented carbide things. How on earth do they benefit from the wide exposure that cycling gives? Its not like a supermarket that we can all decide to go to (or not). The number of decision makers who say "yes, let's use Ceratizit cemented carbide doodads" must be tiny. All they've done is ensure that millions of people know their name, but still almost no-one knows what they do and even fewer care. Is that value for money?

It's good that they do, but I find it baffling. How does Ceratizit benefit? Does it maybe give them an edge in closing a big industrial deal when their competitor is a similarly niche company but without a recognisable brand.

No other sport reflects CERATIZIT’s corporate values better than cycling. And at the same time it has a direct link to the products that we develop, manufacture and sell on a daily basis: high-quality precision tools for the cutting tools industry. So what could be more natural than to put together our own women's cycling team with the best female athletes: the CERATIZIT-WNT Pro Cycling Team. The 14 international female athletes act as brand ambassadors and even more: they carry the philosophy of the company into the public eye. https://www.ceratizit.com/int/en/company/sponsorship.html

I guess I'm a bit dumb and just don't understand the intangible benefits of having a recognisable brand.
 

No Ta Doctor

Über Member
Doing all this research makes me wonder why the heck businesses chuck money into cycling at all.

Some of them are easy to understand. Pushing your brand name into the public eye makes sense for organisations with a consumer base like Lidl or Unibet or Oatly. Some brands like Shell (I know they aren't sponsoring a team) or DirectEnergie might see cycling as a chance to greenwash their public brand image. But others are harder to understand.

Take Ceratizit. They are really niche cutting tools and cemented carbide things. How on earth do they benefit from the wide exposure that cycling gives? Its not like a supermarket that we can all decide to go to (or not). The number of decision makers who say "yes, let's use Ceratizit cemented carbide doodads" must be tiny. All they've done is ensure that millions of people know their name, but still almost no-one knows what they do and even fewer care. Is that value for money?

It's good that they do, but I find it baffling. How does Ceratizit benefit? Does it maybe give them an edge in closing a big industrial deal when their competitor is a similarly niche company but without a recognisable brand.

No other sport reflects CERATIZIT’s corporate values better than cycling. And at the same time it has a direct link to the products that we develop, manufacture and sell on a daily basis: high-quality precision tools for the cutting tools industry. So what could be more natural than to put together our own women's cycling team with the best female athletes: the CERATIZIT-WNT Pro Cycling Team. The 14 international female athletes act as brand ambassadors and even more: they carry the philosophy of the company into the public eye. https://www.ceratizit.com/int/en/company/sponsorship.html

I guess I'm a bit dumb and just don't understand the intangible benefits of having a recognisable brand.

Well just a little further down the page they do suggest that their marketing through the team is, in fact, very specifically aimed

Something not immediately obvious at first glance, however, is the fact that cycling and CERATIZIT products have a lot in common. In what way? Numerous bicycle components are machined, and since professional sports primarily involve the processing of superfine high-tech materials, high-performance cutting tool technology is required. Some of our customers use quality tools from CERATIZIT for the production of their top-quality bicycle parts. For CERATIZIT, then, cycling sponsorship is an ideal marketing instrument to increase brand awareness and make its products accessible to a broad public outside of the obvious target groups.


And they've even got a video suggesting that their tools are really good for that sort of thing, so I guess it does make some sort of sense. And lets face it, cutting tools are used all over the place, but if you're not in manufacturing or engineering they're a bit invisible




Anyway, I'm off to buy some of their kit so I can make my own derailleur
 
Good afternoon,

Formula 1 motor racing has a team owned by and created from nothing by Haas who make CNC machines.

Their public position is that it puts them in front of the right people at the right time, large organisations about to order millions of dollars worth of machines. The millions who watch on T.V. are not their audience.

I also suspect that there was an element of I want to and can afford to. :-)

Remember when Kelloggs used to sponsor cycling? Maybe cycling sponsorship allows CSF to meet big cheeses [ :-)] from the food industry in the social events that accompany the sport and one new contract a year would be a good ROI.

Maybe meeting a Sheikh or two is what Suez are after.

In other words it may not be about the sport sponsored but who else sponsors that sport.


Bye

Ian
 

No Ta Doctor

Über Member

Well CSF are Italian, and it's illegal in Italy to be an engineering firm of any type unless you sponsor a cycling team. That's why Italian cycling team jerseys have about two million sponsors on. Plus, all Italian engineers secretly wanted to be making bikes (Colnago, Pinarello, Bianchi, Campag...) so it's essentially the managing directors issuing what in football would be called a "come get me" plea.

SUEZ is a British waste water management company, so they're desperately trying to branch out to the continent by any means necessary, as waste water management in the UK seems to consist of "stick it in the river, nobody will notice, and if they do they won't be able to do anything about it"

Glad I could help.
 

Webbo2

Über Member
Well CSF are Italian, and it's illegal in Italy to be an engineering firm of any type unless you sponsor a cycling team. That's why Italian cycling team jerseys have about two million sponsors on. Plus, all Italian engineers secretly wanted to be making bikes (Colnago, Pinarello, Bianchi, Campag...) so it's essentially the managing directors issuing what in football would be called a "come get me" plea.

SUEZ is a British waste water management company, so they're desperately trying to branch out to the continent by any means necessary, as waste water management in the UK seems to consist of "stick it in the river, nobody will notice, and if they do they won't be able to do anything about it"

Glad I could help.

Please tell me you have just made all that up.🫣
 
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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Places(2): Israel; VisitMalta
Israel do not actually sponsor Israel PremierTech, last I heard. I could sponsor a team and put 'Milton Keynes' on the jersey, but the city still wouldn't be the sponsor.
 

No Ta Doctor

Über Member
Israel do not actually sponsor Israel PremierTech, last I heard. I could sponsor a team and put 'Milton Keynes' on the jersey, but the city still wouldn't be the sponsor.

True, but when you're a billionaire with links to all sorts of power and you do it with the express ambition of advertising your country, it doesn't really matter, does it?
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Israel do not actually sponsor Israel PremierTech, last I heard. I could sponsor a team and put 'Milton Keynes' on the jersey, but the city still wouldn't be the sponsor.
I've said above that I'm open to dispute on how I've classified title sponsors, but in this case I can't see how else to classify IPT.

Israel appears in the team name, Premier tech are only co-sponsors. So I need to classify the Israel part too. Israel is a place. So "places" seems like the only logical, apolitical, classification. What would you suggest?
 
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mjr

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Israel appears in the team name, Premier tech are only co-sponsors. So I need to classify the Israel part too. Israel is a place. So "places" seems like the only logical, apolitical, classification. What would you suggest?
Maybe rich guy's ego-trip, but that could apply to several!
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Less emotively, I've possibly got Faizanè wrong. They are a techno-plastic fabrication company, so maybe should probably be in engineering or petrochemicals not building supplies.

They make a fascinating variety of plastic tubes, seals, sheets and widgets. Including cable ties. This is the obvious cycling connection - what cyclist hasn't bodged a fix with a cable tie at one time or another?

https://www.faizane.com/prodotti-a-magazzino/

I've expanded my Italian vocabulary doing this but I'm not sure how useful the knowledge that fascette stringitubo means hose clamps will be on holiday.
 
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BrumJim

Forum Stalwart (won't take the hint and leave...)
I'm not convinced that sponsorship isn't partly the CEO funding his hobby or interest through his company. I know there are female CEOs, but not aware of any with a massive ego that needs to spend shareholder's cash in order to keep the CEO contented.

OK, a little bit strong, and on the reverse side, a CEO with a strong interest in a sport will make best use of his/her knowledge to make the sponsorship and marketing worth while, e.g. client events and meet the sports star days in order to keep them on board or reward great performances.

A Henry Ford quote? "Half the money spent on marketing is wasted. The problem is that I don't know which half."
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
OK here's a final cut. All the title sponsors of mens and womens world tour and pro teams broken down by some fairly wonky categories with notes in brackets:

The "places" category is tricky because sometimes they are actual governments, like Bahrain or UAE, and sometimes they are other entities promoting a place, such as Astana which is a coalition of state owned companies in Khasakstan named after the capital, or VisitMalta which is a tourism promotion organisation. Or the other one that I'm not going to mention.

Separating Engineering/construction from Building Supplies was probably a mistake. But I can live with it.

Food and wine should probably be part of consumer goods.
  • Cycling/sports: DecathІon; Trek(Bikes); Lease a Bike; XDS(Bikes); CANYON(Bikes); SRAM(Components); Human Powered Health(Training); Liv(Clothing/gear); BH(Bikes); Q36.5(Clothing/gear); Orange Seal(Components); Winspace(Bikes)
  • Finance/insurance: Arkéa; Cofidis; AG2R La Mondiale; Groupama; AG Insurance; zondacrypto; Roland; Caja Rural - Seguros RGA; Baloise; Laboral Kutxa
  • Building supplies: Deceuninck(Windows); BORA(Extractor hoods); Hansgrohe(Taps); Quick Step(Floors); Soudal(Adhesives); Fenix(Sinks, Washbaisins …); VF Group(Modular furniture)
  • Places: Bahrain(Government); AlUla; UAE(Government); Astana(Coalition of state owned companies); Le Dévoluy(Ski Resort); Israel(A rich bloke, not the government); VisitMalta(Tourism promotion)
  • Engineering/construction: Wanty(Construction); CERATIZIT(Cutting tools); SUEZ(Waste water); Premier Tech(Waste treatment); Bardiani(Valves); CSF(Sewage - and other - pumps); Volker Wessels(Civil engineering)
  • Food/drink: Red Bull(Soft drink); Vini Fantini(Wine); Wagner-Bazin(Charcuterie); Oatly(Oat milk); St Michel(Biscuits)
  • Software/systems: Visma(Accounting); Protime(Time registration); SD Worx(HR/payroll)
  • Supermarket: Intermarché; Lidl; Picnic
  • Energy (petro & renewable): XRG; Burpellet(Wood pellets); Solution Tech(Solar/renewable); TotalEnergies; Uno-X Mobility
  • Gambling: FDJ; Lotto; Unibet
  • Automotive: Grenadiers(4x4); Jayco(RVs)
  • Consumer goods: Alpecin(Shampoo); Polti(Appliances); Tudor(Watches)
  • Hospitality/holidays/travel: B&B Hotels; Emirates(Airline)
  • Shipping: EasyPost; PostNL
  • Telco: Movistar; Euskaltel
  • Education: EF Education
  • Petrochemicals: INEOS; Faizanè(Plastic fabrication)
  • Pharmaceuticals: Kern Pharma; Novo Nordisk
  • Property: Preference Home
Men WT only
Women WT Only
Men and women WT
Men WT Women Pro
Men Pro only
Women pro only
 
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