Does the Home Office know what an eBike/EAPC actually is?

[Boopop]

I'm not convinced they do. All eBikes are legal. EBikes that aren't legal, are not eBikes/EAPC's, they're motorbikes. Am I going mad?

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17GShdvt4y/

 

[Drago]

The Home Orifice couldn't find their own arses with a mirror on a stick.

 

[Punkawallah]

“Dangerous and illegal e-bikes have no place on our streets.”
Therefore dangerous e-bikes, or illegal e-bikes, do? Asking for a friend.

 

[Punkawallah]

The Home Orifice couldn't find their own arses with a mirror on a stick.

One of ‘Angela Two Homes’ initiatives?

 

[mjr]

“Dangerous and illegal e-bikes have no place on our streets.”
Therefore dangerous e-bikes, or illegal e-bikes, do? Asking for a friend.

Grammar and logic aren't famous friends of the Home Office PR department either, sadly.

 

[mjr]

I'm not convinced they do. All eBikes are legal. EBikes that aren't legal, are not eBikes/EAPC's, they're motorbikes. Am I going mad?

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17GShdvt4y/

View attachment 787369

Might your MP be willing to hold the Home Office to account for this unnecessary demonisation of legal e-bikes by blurring the line with motorbikes? www.WriteToThem.com

I hope you've left a suitable objecting comment on fakeberk.

 

[Alex321]

I'm not convinced they do. All eBikes are legal. EBikes that aren't legal, are not eBikes/EAPC's, they're motorbikes. Am I going mad?

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17GShdvt4y/

View attachment 787369

That is for a personal definition of an Ebike. It isn't a legal definition.

Legally, there is no such thing defined as an ebike. They are EAPCs, and any electric powered cycle that does not meet those requirements, but has not been registered as a motorbike is an "illegal ebike" in normal usage.

For once, I wouldn't blame the Home Office here.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

To be fair to them the term "ebike" is used frequently in the general population as meaning anything with 2 wheels and an electric motor

which include legal EPAC/Pedalec devices AND the illegal ones
whether illegal due to a little tweak to disable the motor cutoff or add a throttle
or the types that are basically just like a 500cc motorbike

and they have to talk to the general public and use words they understand

the media and authorities need to start using terms like Pedalec and/or EPAC properly

but at least they are making it clear they are tackling illegal ebikes

although it does sort of imply that all bikes with a motor are illegal

 

[presta]

'E-bike' is just shorthand for electric bike, anything with two wheels and an electric motor is an e-bike. The legal distinction is between EAPCs which, if they meet the legal criteria are classed as pedal cycles, and motorbikes, which are also regulated (regardless of whether the motor's electric or not). I keep trying to get people to avoid the term e-bike precisely because it's ambiguous and doesn't draw the relevant distinction, but most people who get upset about them don't care whether they're EAPCs or motorbikes. Quite commonly, they'll tell you "if it's got pedals it's a pushbike!".

 

[classic33]

I'm not convinced they do. All eBikes are legal. EBikes that aren't legal, are not eBikes/EAPC's, they're motorbikes. Am I going mad?

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17GShdvt4y/

View attachment 787369

There's a second class of e-bike covered under the European regulations that isn't recognised under UK law. UK law defines them as mopeds.

 

[numbnuts]

The Home Office, not a cyclist among them

 

[Ming the Merciless]

The Home Office, not a cyclist among them
View attachment 787404

That’s cause they stay at home on the couch

 

[mjr]

I keep trying to get people to avoid the term e-bike precisely because it's ambiguous and doesn't draw the relevant distinction, but most people who get upset about them don't care whether they're EAPCs or motorbikes. Quite commonly, they'll tell you "if it's got pedals it's a pushbike!".

It would be nice if the Home Office and the Police could try being precise and not pander to "most people who get upset about them" (= motorists, sobbing into their steering wheel while their oversize metal money-pit greenhouse is stuck behind another single-occupancy greenhouse and they have to watch all the cyclists smiling as they ride past?)

 

[Boopop]

The Home Office, not a cyclist among them
View attachment 787404

Not sure what to make of this. Cyclists come in all shapes and sizes...have you asked them?

 

[classic33]

From West Yorkshire Police
Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle (EAPC)
These bikes and riders need to meet certain requirements to be used on the roads, such as:

• Electric assistance can only be provided to a maximum of 25kph (15.5mph)
• The motor used must be of no more than 250 Watts (maximum continuous rated power).
• The e-bike’s pedals must be in motion for motor assistance to be provided.
• The rider must be 14 years of age or over.
• They should not be used on the pavement.

For a comprehensive list of the standards and further information, visit Cycling UK's website.

Electric Bikes – none pedal assisted
E-bikes that do not require the user to pedal are likely to be classed as a moped or even motorbike, and have a different set of legal requirements including licence and insurance.

https://www.westyorks-ca.gov.uk/policing-and-crime/vision-zero/e-scooters-and-e-bikes/