Don't jump, occupy!

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CotterPin

Senior Member
Location
London
My local cycle campaign group in North London did a couple of cycle counts on one of the roads where the pilot scheme to allow motorbikes in bus lanes from January.

We counted cyclists and motorbikes in the bus lane (currently illegally). There were around 300 cyclists and 39 motorbikes. We also counted the number of cyclists waiting in an ASL and the number of motorbikes that illegally entered the ASL after the red light was showing (essentially red-light jumping). We counted 181 and 56 motorbikes. The count was for an hour and a half from 8.00am to 9.30am.

We also observed that on a few occasions the motorbikes had positioned themselves in such a way to block access to the ASL for cyclists. This was not done deliberately but did prevent legitimate users from entering the ASL.

Now I am aware that on here and elsewhere there has been much discussion about the efficacy or otherwise of ASLs, and quite frequently they are little used by cyclists either because they cannot safely get to them or because they have jumped the lights.

However I feel that there is a danger that if we do not make legitimate use of the space on the road given over to us, then we will lose it to other users such as motorbikes. I feel that we need to make sure that we fully occupy the ASL when we can safely do so, rather than jump the lights.

This is not a discussion about redlight jumping but more about the need to preserve our space on the roads.
 

Jake

New Member
right-on. I totally agree.
 

Blackandblue

New Member
Location
London
I don't really have an issue with motorbikes in ASLs. I do object to them using the cycle lanes to access them though. It's (a) too risky (motorbikes/scooters often join them at right angles as they squeeze between cars without looking to see who's coming) and (:angry: often obstructive because they block access for cyclists.
 

Twiggy

New Member
Location
Coventry
any count on the number of cars in ASL?

I rarely see motorbikes in ASLs here, but often see cars sitting all the way in them.
 

hackbike 6

New Member
Motorcyclists use the cycle lane on the Upper/Lower Thames Street section to Southwark Bridge from Tower Gateway both ways and although I don't really have an issue with this I think some of them motorbike recklessly in the cycle lane.
 

LOGAN 5

New Member
Jake said:
right-on. I totally agree.

+1
London's ASLs are full of motorbikes and they use the feeder lanes too as well as on road cycle lanes or even the pavement sometimes:angry:
 

Tynan

Veteran
Location
e4
I can't get into ASLs increasingly, if it ain't motorbikes blocking the channels to it, it's cars and vans already there, strating from between to cars isn't that attractive

motorbikes are in the cyclelanes more every week, and plenty of them aren't too bothered about bikes
 

skwerl

New Member
Location
London
dondare said:
Cyclists who use these facilities are limiting themselves.

why?
 

Jake

New Member
i maybe wrong, but asl's are there for cyclists safety? to get them ahead of traffic instead of having htem mixed up with it as it speeds off and other road users jostle for places?

I posted this before, but the other week there were a couple of MB's in the ASL, and i made a point of cycling past them and plonking my self right infront of them. I was waiting for a confrontation but didnt have one.
 
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CotterPin

CotterPin

Senior Member
Location
London
Twiggy said:
any count on the number of cars in ASL?

I rarely see motorbikes in ASLs here, but often see cars sitting all the way in them.

Don't have the stats to hand but there were a good few. These were mostly stuck in the ASL when the lights changed. It is a busy road with a yellow box junction - drivers are reluctant to enter the box before their exit is clear but were happy to sit in the ASL or, on many occasions, across the pelican crossing b*gg*ring it up for the pedestrians.

The presence of cars in the ASL seemed to to have an impact on whether motorcylists entered the ASL as well.
 

skwerl

New Member
Location
London
CotterPin said:
Don't have the stats to hand but there were a good few. These were mostly stuck in the ASL when the lights changed. It is a busy road with a yellow box junction - drivers are reluctant to enter the box before their exit is clear but were happy to sit in the ASL or, on many occasions, across the pelican crossing b*gg*ring it up for the pedestrians.

The presence of cars in the ASL seemed to to have an impact on whether motorcylists entered the ASL as well.

on the same theme there seems to be a trend with mopeds of heading through the ASL and out the other side before stopping. Almost seems that they don't want to get told off for being in the ASL so shoot both stop lines. So that's ok then.
 

dondare

Über Member
Location
London
skwerl said:
on the same theme there seems to be a trend with mopeds of heading through the ASL and out the other side before stopping. Almost seems that they don't want to get told off for being in the ASL so shoot both stop lines. So that's ok then.


So that cyclists waiting in the box get to breathe their stinky exhaust fumes.
 
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