Door openers

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domtyler

Über Member
BentMikey said:
I think this is utter poppycock. Cycling is nowhere near as dangerous as dom is making it out to be. FUD.

Believe me, it is when it's my missus is the one doing it! :rofl:

Seriously, I think you need to have some confidence and assertiveness and some natural ability and in some people it is just not there. Cycling on the roads is not for everyone Mikey.
 

John the Monkey

Frivolous Cyclist
Location
Crewe
BentMikey said:
... it's his fault for opening the door, says so in the highway code and a lot of legal cases.
You're reading the wrong version, Mikey.

There's a secret drivers' version of the Highway Code, that one that says you have to be in the cycle lane, and that overtaking 3 inches from your handlebars is just fine, among other things.
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
domtyler said:
Believe me, it is when it's my missus is the one doing it! :rofl:

Seriously, I think you need to have some confidence and assertiveness and some natural ability and in some people it is just not there. Cycling on the roads is not for everyone Mikey.


Jeez, do you let her drive? If she doesn't have the ability to learn to cycle safely, perhaps driving isn't a good idea either...

Have you thought of booking her some proper adult training sessions? She may take stuff in better from a professional than from you.
 

PBancroft

Senior Member
Location
Winchester
Also, best wishes to Mrs Porridge.

The thing with doors is that drivers don't always look, because they're people and people are stupid (myself included). Sometimes people do really crazy stuff without thinking, and blame other people for the outcome.

Yes, the driver should have looked, and was bloody stupid that he didn't... bet it doesn't make the wife feel any better.

The only thing that she can do is to try to expect the unexpected - keep her distance from doors at all times, keep away from the gutter, move out to turn right within plenty of time... sometimes the safest place to be isn't always out of the way of traffic.
 

radger

Veteran
Location
Bristol
domtyler said:
Believe me, it is when it's my missus is the one doing it! ;)

That is the attitude Mr Radger used to have toward my cycling. Now, even he admits that I am a more confident and better cyclist than him, and that's just through getting on and doing it. :tongue:

Maybe encourage her to do a cycle training course - I know I took sweet f.a. advice in from him indoors' 'helpful' comments, but reading Cyclecraft was a revelation
 

MessenJah

Rider
Location
None
I hate it when people open doors without checking their mirror,but it's one of those things that cyclists have to prepare for, by leaving a good distance between themselves and cars.

Your wife will have learnt a valuable lesson today.

antidooring_sticker.jpg


Clinton Miceli, a 22 year old graphic designer, was killed this month after being struck by a car door that someone opened in his path. The Chicago Tribune reported that Clinton "struck the SUV's door, flew off his bike and was run over by a passing vehicle that eventually stopped. He suffered severe head injuries and was pronounced dead Monday night at Northwestern Memorial Hospital."

http://anti-dooring.org/

It doesn't matter that it's the door-opener's fault, if you end up dead. Do what you can to avoid getting injured of killed, never mind whose fault it is.
 
Location
EDINBURGH
I agree, regardless of fault it is the cyclist that suffers so the optimum solution is to ride further out, a little inconvenience for following traffic can make the difference between life and death for the cyclist, it's a no brainer.
 
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porridge

New Member
Location
Watford
Catrike UK said:
I agree, regardless of fault it is the cyclist that suffers so the optimum solution is to ride further out, a little inconvenience for following traffic can make the difference between life and death for the cyclist, it's a no brainer.


Well I think she has learnt from this experience, and I am pleased to say that she is still commuting to work.
 

MessenJah

Rider
Location
None
porridge said:
Well I think she has learnt from this experience, and I am pleased to say that she is still commuting to work.
Glad to hear that.

Takes a while to learn stuff like this. I've been caught out by doors a few times but luckily never proper crashed into one
 

02GF74

Über Member
As has been said, a hard lesson to learn.
Pretty sure highway code mentirons this. Aslo should have repoprted to police, not that I expect much action from them.

on a bike you have to keep an eye out for potential hazards such as door opening.

Also look out for front wheels pointing outwards and right indicator on as all of those may be sign of driver pulling out.

What part of Watford does she need to get through?

Most of it is not too bad until nearing the town centre where there are roads with parked cars on both sides.

As for holding traffic up? Then tough. Let them wait, they will anyway due to traffic lights and other cars so in reality the journey time will be the same.
 
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porridge

New Member
Location
Watford
02GF74 said:
As has been said, a hard lesson to learn.
Pretty sure highway code mentirons this. Aslo should have repoprted to police, not that I expect much action from them.

on a bike you have to keep an eye out for potential hazards such as door opening.

Also look out for front wheels pointing outwards and right indicator on as all of those may be sign of driver pulling out.

What part of Watford does she need to get through?

Most of it is not too bad until nearing the town centre where there are roads with parked cars on both sides.

As for holding traffic up? Then tough. Let them wait, they will anyway due to traffic lights and other cars so in reality the journey time will be the same.
Hi

She travels from Croxley green (nr Harvester) so cycles up through Cassiobury Park (rather than Rickmansworth Road, to avoid traffic) then cycles down through the town to Lower High Street (just past Watford High Street Stn) the incident occured outside Maplins, this area is dangerous for a few reasons, that stretch of the road is also very dangerous on the bend outside Mcdonalds, cars seem to presume that evryone is going to turn left with the road and cyclists are vunerable from the left hook, that cyclist layout for that part of the town is also very strange, there seems to be a cycle lane for cyclists going down through the town, but cyclists have to chance it on the road if they travelling in the opposite direction. The other obvious dangers come through the vast amount of pedestrians who walk knowingly and unknowingly in the cycle lanes, or the numpties who suddenly step out- yes yes I know that this is overcome by travelling at the appropriate speed.
 
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