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Debian
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Delftse Post said:
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Debian
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Delftse Post said:
No, but I would have expected to have been allowed to have copied it as a legitimate backup having already paid the copyright holder for a lifetime license to listen to the content of the CD.
summerdays
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Norm said:
And yet if I have iTunes up and put a CD into the computer - it assumes that I want to copy them for use in my iPod. If it was illegal surely it wouldn't do that?
swee'pea99
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coruskate said:
Brilliant! Thanks for the heads up. I hadn't realised. All the Family Guy stuff that had been taken down seems to have reappeared.
US copyright law is different (though still broken). Their "fair use" doctrine may cover this usesummerdays said:And yet if I have iTunes up and put a CD into the computer - it assumes that I want to copy them for use in my iPod. If it was illegal surely it wouldn't do that?
You may find http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/first-sale-president-obama-and-queen-england entertaining
Cubist
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Norm. Sorry, but deception depends on a person being deceived into providing a service. You cannot, for example deceive a cash machine into thinking you are a legitimate cardholder or whatever. They must be there in person, and confer that service to the person practising the deception, so it doesn't fit. All the legislation here is around copyright infringement.Norm said:
gbb
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monkeypony said:
If you'd read the post properly, the footnote said words to the effect 'i'm not trying to justify myself..it's wrong and i know it is'
Basically, its low on my scale of incorrect behaviour, whatever you want to call it.
I wonder if its partly a generation thing (your attitude to the act of copying)
Dont know about you monkeypony, i'm in my 50s...taped Radio 1 as a kid (the same copying, different format)...no-one in the world thought it was an issue back then.
Then the advent of computers in the 80s gave us the opportunity to P2P share...again, no-one thought it was an issue for many years.
Many of us have been copying music in one format or another for 40 years or more.
So you'll no doubt say, 'so its illegal now...so why dont you stop'...
Answers the same..its low on my scale of morally incorrect behaviour.
I can live with myself
2Loose
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Arguing the toss over the name of the offence doesn't really change anything tbh.
From reading this, I don't think that anyone would wish to prevent earnings going to the artists involved, but judging by the debate, this is one area that is definitely not as clear cut as it first appeared.
Copyright is a murky law, not necessarily doing what is was intended to do originally. - On the misuse of Copyright laws by 'big corp' - not the IP creator which it should protect.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8544935.stm
From reading this, I don't think that anyone would wish to prevent earnings going to the artists involved, but judging by the debate, this is one area that is definitely not as clear cut as it first appeared.
Copyright is a murky law, not necessarily doing what is was intended to do originally. - On the misuse of Copyright laws by 'big corp' - not the IP creator which it should protect.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8544935.stm
2Loose
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Bongman said:
I think you are right, anybody who sold me vinyl in the 70's then wants me to buy it again on CD in the late 80's, then on mp3 for my iPod and AGAIN if I want it on dvd or bluray...way to print money by reselling the same item to the same customer over and over again. Must be by design.
2Loose
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Anyone watching Jo Wiley on Panorama? Sales up despite the other P* word. #
+77% sales per downloader vs +44% for a non-Downloader.
People wrongly accused due to wifi hacking. People would never had heard of people like Kate Nash and Snow Patrol unless those people had embraced the Internet culture. Copyright law bringing revenue in to EMISonyUniversal for sales of artists dead for 40 years.
I can't help but feel that the laws involved are to protect (rather than create new) revenue for out of date business models and big Corp, rather than the creative artists. Shame that the new artists, Radio Head, Kate Nash, Snow Patrol etc. know better but seem to be fighting the system. In fact, if the 'piracy' 3-strikes laws were already in place, nobody would have heard of Kate Nash or Snow Patrol at all.
There must be a balance somewhere.
Let people listen to new music, but don't let them exploit it for free because that would kill creativity dead.
Old men in suits who are trying to protect their revenue stream from long dead artists without adding new and quality material to the market place deserve to die skint imho.
Elvis tracks will be copyrighted for a long while - protecting the creator my arse.
The case of SnowPatrol and other artists who did not have a big corp contract but succeeded anyway, just goes to show, the young upstart who understands the net doesn't need to sway the law to get their point acrossmake a good living.
Shame the huge corps can't learn from the younger upstarts.
<rant out>
And I wondered why I am not hearing much new music nowadays...radio is dead, the internet is the replacement.
Ps. I write software and the company I work for gets more revenue from the people who try our software illegally and then buy it, than from people who just read about it.
+77% sales per downloader vs +44% for a non-Downloader.
People wrongly accused due to wifi hacking. People would never had heard of people like Kate Nash and Snow Patrol unless those people had embraced the Internet culture. Copyright law bringing revenue in to EMISonyUniversal for sales of artists dead for 40 years.
I can't help but feel that the laws involved are to protect (rather than create new) revenue for out of date business models and big Corp, rather than the creative artists. Shame that the new artists, Radio Head, Kate Nash, Snow Patrol etc. know better but seem to be fighting the system. In fact, if the 'piracy' 3-strikes laws were already in place, nobody would have heard of Kate Nash or Snow Patrol at all.
There must be a balance somewhere.
Let people listen to new music, but don't let them exploit it for free because that would kill creativity dead.
Old men in suits who are trying to protect their revenue stream from long dead artists without adding new and quality material to the market place deserve to die skint imho.
Elvis tracks will be copyrighted for a long while - protecting the creator my arse.
The case of SnowPatrol and other artists who did not have a big corp contract but succeeded anyway, just goes to show, the young upstart who understands the net doesn't need to sway the law to get their point acrossmake a good living.
Shame the huge corps can't learn from the younger upstarts.
<rant out>
And I wondered why I am not hearing much new music nowadays...radio is dead, the internet is the replacement.
Ps. I write software and the company I work for gets more revenue from the people who try our software illegally and then buy it, than from people who just read about it.
Milo
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Most of the music you can download of the internet is crap quality anyway. Im a luddite I buy vinyl.