Driverless lorries,,,,

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numbnuts

numbnuts

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Drago said:
If they can make driverless lorries work properly, then this is today's reminder why we need them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41060244
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Very sad
 
classic33

classic33

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Trials are going to be held on the Northern half of the M6, again. Fewer exits/entrances, giving less chance of another vehicle trying to pass between the lorries in the trials.
 
classic33

classic33

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[QUOTE 4932952, member: 9609"]i think they would be able to join ok, but wwhat I want to know is how they will move back left after an overtake, your going to need a monumental space to get three artics back over into lane 1

And what on earth are they going to do if some clown hangs them out in lane two - to explain; this is a modern day problem with idiots and very powerful lorries, your on your limiter and see another truck about to join the motorway so you move out into lane two, by the time you get alongside the joining truck has hit his limiter, you're now stuck in lane two, you're not going to be able to drop back if you're three artics long, there is probably others tailgating the lorry that has you stuck in the middle lane.[/QUOTE]
They're looking at a ten truck/vehicle convoy, not three or four, with trials due to start in November.

Additional vehicles are supposed to be joining & leaving, as the convoy moves. To test/prove the technology.
 
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growingvegetables

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And while we ponder the technicalities, would it trivialise the question if one asked how truck drivers left on JSA could possibly afford the stuff the robot trucks deliver?
 
jefmcg

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L Q said:
So sad, 8 lives truly wasted.
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It's more than 8. There are 4 more in hospital. No one in that mini bus is going to be the same.
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srw

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It's a bit more complicated than that...
growingvegetables said:
And while we ponder the technicalities, would it trivialise the question if one asked how truck drivers left on JSA could possibly afford the stuff the robot trucks deliver?
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If it were the case that every technological advance chucked people irremovably onto JSA then we wouldn't have an unemployment rate of 4.5% - it would be 45% and then some. Where are the grooms, the blacksmiths, the sickle-wielders, the hand-loom operators, the steam-train coal shovellers of today?

Over the last several hundred years, technological advance has both made jobs non-existent and has created new jobs - even though the population has grown. I don't see why this particular technological advance shouldn't be any different.



(Yes, some of the replacement jobs are shoot, and some parts of the world have been left in the economic doldrums for far too long, but in the reasonably short run new work is found.)
 
FishFright

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srw said:
If it were the case that every technological advance chucked people irremovably onto JSA then we wouldn't have an unemployment rate of 4.5% - it would be 45% and then some. Where are the grooms, the blacksmiths, the sickle-wielders, the hand-loom operators, the steam-train coal shovellers of today?

Over the last several hundred years, technological advance has both made jobs non-existent and has created new jobs - even though the population has grown. I don't see why this particular technological advance shouldn't be any different.



(Yes, some of the replacement jobs are shoot, and some parts of the world have been left in the economic doldrums for far too long, but in the reasonably short run new work is found.)
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Sadly our unemployment rate is pretty much fictitious nowadays.

Unemployed more than 6 months, you're on some sort of scheme or course no longer counted as unemployed.
1 hours work in the last month on a zero hours job, not counted as unemployed.
Sanctioned, not counted as unemployed.
On ESA or similar, not counted as unemployed.
Unemployed but not eligible to receive benefits due to savings, not counted as unemployed.
1 hour a week part time work ... etc etc

Actual number of adults not in full time emplyoment, not including stay at home parents and students in full time educartion, is still in the several millions above the published rate.

I have a very good source for this, a senior manager at a Job Centre Plus.
 
classic33

classic33

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srw said:
If it were the case that every technological advance chucked people irremovably onto JSA then we wouldn't have an unemployment rate of 4.5% - it would be 45% and then some. Where are the grooms, the blacksmiths, the sickle-wielders, the hand-loom operators, the steam-train coal shovellers of today?

Over the last several hundred years, technological advance has both made jobs non-existent and has created new jobs - even though the population has grown. I don't see why this particular technological advance shouldn't be any different.



(Yes, some of the replacement jobs are shoot, and some parts of the world have been left in the economic doldrums for far too long, but in the reasonably short run new work is found.)
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The grooms are still there, as are the blacksmiths. Not in the same numbers or as easy find(often located in hard to find places, where once they'd have been on the main road & easy to find), blacksmiths were often the first to go to for other stuff as well. They've since been replaced by new industries in those parts.

The scythe wielders were replaced by machinery, but can still be seen. Manual labour, which involves getting dirty in the process is looked down on these days.

The RHA & FTA isn't too keen on the latest trials having been given the go-ahead. So who's backing the trials. The people pushing their technology or the companies that may use it?
 
marinyork

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srw said:
If it were the case that every technological advance chucked people irremovably onto JSA then we wouldn't have an unemployment rate of 4.5% - it would be 45% and then some. Where are the grooms, the blacksmiths, the sickle-wielders, the hand-loom operators, the steam-train coal shovellers of today?

Over the last several hundred years, technological advance has both made jobs non-existent and has created new jobs - even though the population has grown. I don't see why this particular technological advance shouldn't be any different.

(Yes, some of the replacement jobs are shoot, and some parts of the world have been left in the economic doldrums for far too long, but in the reasonably short run new work is found.)
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I think that's a very generalist post, that if the world continued the way it has roughly that would be fine.

Unfortunately it ignores totally a wide ranging discussion on the topic of automation, robots and AI. There are a plethora of books and research published on it. The most famous being The second machine age. The basic idea is that even more 'middle jobs' than we've ever seen before are going to be 'hollowed out' unless we make changes. This message has been then investigated by the bank of england, the TUC and various economists. There seems to be a consensus growing that inequality could widen even further with very low paid and high paid jobs making our economy even more 'hourglass'. The discussions about a universal or basic income have been taken up again with some interest in reaction to a possible future, so I think growingvegetables comment is a fair question.

One possible outcome is before trucks are fully automated there are drivers sat in them and are semi-autonomous (with sufficient stimulation to keep them alert) that wages may fall for HGV drivers in a broadly similar way to people driving under 3.5 tonnes are often paid a lot less as companies regard it as 'less skilled' and don't require a HGV licence. The legal changes necessary are one of the interesting what ifs.
 
Prometheus

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Maybe we should look at the problem a new way.
Turn over the high speed rail link to freight in containers.
This is only being built so MP’s can get home early on Fridays.
Then Toll-charge large HGV on the M6 as on the Continent.
This will free up the M6 and cut Diesel Fuel use and pollution significantly.

For us Brexit was about the Chiclana tram fiasco.
Why did a population of only 80 thousand get offered a free tram system?
The Germans built the trams at only 8 million Euros each, ours cost less than 1 million.
The Dutch the French and the Italians built the track and the signalling.
And we just paid for it.
Best estimates of Chiclana officials it will have to close in under two years due to cost.

Brexit now today, just Declare UDI that’s Unilateral Declaration of independence.
Then stop the money going to the EU.
The trough will dry up and they will soon sing to our new Hymn sheet.
 
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