Drivers pulling out.

[magnatom]

Fair enough on the come on, sorry.

But still, I don't get all the hand wringing about the overtake. That was an easy and safe overtake, with no additional risk involved, and all the scenarious you've painted to try and illustrate risk really are very unlikely, which point you haven't challenged. The car wasn't even able to keep up there, given both the speed limit and approaching speed camera. Last of all, it's regularly taught that manouvreing is often better than braking. With an impatient driver behind me, and a slowish car ahead, the overtake was still the better option.

It's not as though it was like your overtake and angry oncoming lady where you got it very wrong, this was a normal and safe overtake with loads of room. (Not that I'm implying anything, I've also done that kind of overtake).

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one!

 

[Cab]

There was room to overtake safely there. But I wouldn't likely have done so, unless I had reason to believe I would be continuing down the road at a significantly faster pace than the car. It isn't that I don't think that a point is worth making, it isn't that I think you should hold back off overtaking for fear of upsetting the motorists, its just that on an open road all that achieves is initiation of a game of leapfrog, and I can't be doing with that.

With speed limit and speed cameras... What, you were doign 30ish Mikey? Ultimately all you've done is you've gone past a vehicle that'll be doing the same speed as you. I require more of a gain than that before I'll overtake; but I think the point you make that sometimes it is better to manoevre than to brake is a valid one.

 

[magnatom]

Only "slightly" superior?

Lots of people claim on this forum that they want to learn from others, share experiences etc but when it comes down to it - they don't, or when they do, it's only when they agree with the advice! Most of us are far happier to continually sate our confirmation bias.

Are you suggesting that I am unwilling to learn from others?! If I could be bothered I could come up with a number of occasions where I changed my opinions, changed my riding technique etc. Just because I don't agree on this occasion does not mean that I don't learn!

On this occasion BM himself suggested that he could have slowed in time, and he himself agreed that hitting the horn was a little unnecessary. All I have done is agree with this and suggest that pulling in behind might have been the best course of action. Of course I have stated in my replies that having a car close behind might change my view, although it depends how close etc. I wasn't there and so can't comment on that.

 

[Origamist]

Are you suggesting that I am unwilling to learn from others?! If I could be bothered I could come up with a number of occasions where I changed my opinions, changed my riding technique etc. Just because I don't agree on this occasion does not mean that I don't learn!

No, I'm not talking about you specifically, the point I was making is that very few of us are as open-minded as we claim when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of actually having to change our views.

On this occasion BM himself suggested that he could have slowed in time, and he himself agreed that hitting the horn was a little unnecessary. All I have done is agree with this and suggest that pulling in behind might have been the best course of action. Of course I have stated in my replies that having a car close behind might change my view, although it depends how close etc. I wasn't there and so can't comment on that.

You don't need to provide a precis of the thread or justify your views - your side of the argument was well put. I am simply of the opinion that there is very little to choose between the two courses of action.

 

[hackbike 6]

I tend to find the views on here a bit patronising as if im being treated like a 'newbie'.Only yesterday I was called a 'newbie' because I prefer to follow the rules of the road.Whether this was said in jest I don't know.

 

[Cab]

Only yesterday I was called a 'newbie' because I prefer to follow the rules of the road.Whether this was said in jest I don't know.

I think I read that post, and I'm pretty sure that it was meant in jest.

 

[magnatom]

I tend to find the views on here a bit patronising as if im being treated like a 'newbie'.Only yesterday I was called a 'newbie' because I prefer to follow the rules of the road.Whether this was said in jest I don't know.

To be fair to BM, I don't think he was meaning to patronise me its just that the way we say things in person doesn't always translate well when written down.

I have been accused of being patronising before, I am honestly not like that as a person, but I understand that sometimes the way I write things can come across as that. We just have to be careful.

So, hackbike 6 are you still riding in the door zone, you scoundrel....

 

[Nigeyy]

One things for sure, only you were in the situation -and sometimes video cameras don't do justice. Having said that, and looking at your vid, I'll still respectfully disagree with your comments. But hey, that's what makes the world go round (and I'm sure that some of my riding would be heavily criticized on this board as well, and as I say about Magnatom, you have to have some kahunas and thick skin to post vids up open for criticism -and I salute people who do).

But still, I don't get all the hand wringing about the overtake. That was an easy and safe overtake, with no additional risk involved

 

[Nigeyy]

I love this quote, and I think there's a heck of a lot of truth in it! (fortunately I never have to change my views though )

.... the point I was making is that very few of us are as open-minded as we claim when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of actually having to change our views.

 

[BentMikey]

Magnatom, I know that you filter, which is generally more risky than this overtake was. I'm going by your own footage, and the space and speed differential on my overtake. Step away from the argument, because you're on the lower moral ground here, unless perhaps you've sworn off filtering?

There was room to overtake safely there. But I wouldn't likely have done so, unless I had reason to believe I would be continuing down the road at a significantly faster pace than the car.

This is the key bit - I'm almost always faster through here and for another couple of miles, and then I get to go in the bus lane. No conflict, and I wouldn't hold back because I usually pass great big queues at the next several of traffic lights. I regularly overtake cars on this section.

 

[Cab]

This is the key bit - I'm almost always faster through here and for another couple of miles, and then I get to go in the bus lane. No conflict, and I wouldn't hold back because I usually pass great big queues at the next several of traffic lights. I regularly overtake cars on this section.

In which case your overtaking isn't unreasonable (although I haven't stated that it was, as you know). I'd still have held off just there and then though, largely because I'm never sure how someone who has just come on to a road is going to behave. But it was your call, and while I don't think I'd have done that your behaviour wasn't inappropriate.

 

[magnatom]

Magnatom, I know that you filter, which is generally more risky than this overtake was. I'm going by your own footage, and the space and speed differential on my overtake. Step away from the argument, because you're on the lower moral ground here, unless perhaps you've sworn off filtering?



This is the key bit - I'm almost always faster through here and for another couple of miles, and then I get to go in the bus lane. No conflict, and I wouldn't hold back because I usually pass great big queues at the next several of traffic lights. I regularly overtake cars on this section.

BM,

Your the one having the argument here, read my previous posts and you will see I have made concessions for the car behind etc. You will also see that I said we would have to agree to disagree. Obviously you aren't happy with this which confuses me a bit. Your normally such an affable guy.

You are also beginning to stretch things by comparing filtering (low speed, traffic not moving) to your overtake. I really don't understand your comments about moral ground etc. I don't hold any moral ground, I'm just commenting on what I see and what I think. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it. Thats what I do!

By the way, as you well know, I did agree that my filtering in that one video you highlighted was a little risky and I have changed my filtering behaviour as a result. I still contend that the woman overreacted, but, he ho....

 

[hackbike 6]

So, hackbike 6 are you still riding in the door zone, you scoundrel...

Sometimes and sometimes not.I try not to.

I think I read that post, and I'm pretty sure that it was meant in jest.

Thanks.Dunno whether dom is serious or not sometimes.

 

[BentMikey]

You are also beginning to stretch things by comparing filtering (low speed, traffic not moving) to your overtake.

Not at all. You're exposing yourself to lots of risk for a sustained period when filtering past a long queue. An overtake like mine has roughly the same level of risk, but for only a very short period of time. All the unusual circumstances you stretched a point with before could be applied just as easily to your filtering, and are more likely there as you interact with more drivers.

By the way, as you well know, I did agree that my filtering in that one video you highlighted was a little risky

That was a poor overtake, and no, I'm not criticising you for it, as I've done much the same myself on the odd occasion, and known it to be wrong. I'm talking about plain ordinary filtering. You might have had a point if my overtake had been anything like your example.

 

[andylaw79]

Is it me or is it hot in here?