Drivers pulling out.

[BentMikey]

In which case your overtaking isn't unreasonable (although I haven't stated that it was, as you know). I'd still have held off just there and then though, largely because I'm never sure how someone who has just come on to a road is going to behave. But it was your call, and while I don't think I'd have done that your behaviour wasn't inappropriate.

Yes, I might also have slowed down, perhaps if the available space for the overtake and the speed differential had been less, or if the road had any turnings in that section.

 

[magnatom]

Not at all. You're exposing yourself to lots of risk for a sustained period when filtering past a long queue. An overtake like mine has roughly the same level of risk, but for only a very short period of time. All the unusual circumstances you stretched a point with before could be applied just as easily to your filtering, and are more likely there as you interact with more drivers.

I'm not going to go over old ground and discuss a video that was discussed to death! However, risk when overtaking an non-moving queue with traffic that is slow moving coming towards me (the road layout here and the fact that there are a lot of parked cars around dictates that cars approaching tend to be at or under 20mph) is minimal. Of course there is risk, but it is very small, I would never deny that.

At no point in this discussion have I ever said that you were at great risk. What I tried to point out was that I considered that your risk increased with overtaking the car at speed, compared to slowing up behind it. You might disagree, fair enough, but my point of view, I think, is a reasonable one. Looking at risk and benefit, you gained one car and possibly a few seconds for that admittedly small risk.

With regards to my filtering, on that section, I can pass 10-15 cars with minimal risk, and because of the way that the lights ahead work, I can gain about 3-4 minutes (they are on red for quite a long time). So I gain a fair amount for my risk. So all I am saying, and all I have ever tried to point out, is that I would have slowed down there, because I would have perceived the gain to be small and I would have perceived the admittedly small risk as not being worth it.

We all have different thresholds for risk/benefit. For this particular video I obviously have a different threshold to you. I'm not entirely sure why that (appears to have) has wound you up.

I'm sorry if I have.

 

[Origamist]

Is it me or is it hot in here?

 

[BentMikey]

LOL, Magnatom, why would you think you've wound me up? I'm enjoying this! I must admit I've worried once or twice that I've wound you up here, because your posts got very serious.

I'm glad you've admitted that any risk was minimal, though.

 

[magnatom]

LOL, Magnatom, why would you think you've wound me up? I'm enjoying this! I must admit I've worried once or twice that I've wound you up here, because your posts got very serious.

I'm glad you've admitted that any risk was minimal, though.

Never said it was otherwise. The risks in cycling are often over-stated.

I think it is often easy to misinterperate peoples writting and think you have wound someone up when you haven't. I think my writting often comes over more serious than it is.

I've just been a little perplexed by some of what you've said, which has made me feel superior....

 

[BentMikey]

At least I don't have the whiney voice or heavy breathing....

Oooh, low blow alert.

A nice friendly windup is fine, I'm glad it's not a serious evil one, because I wouldn't want to do that.

 

[Jaded]

Come on guys!

Helmet cam users of the world unite!

There's the terrifying prospect that CoachdrivrHalfWit345 is reading this thread.

 

[BentMikey]

It'd be really boring if we all agreed, and we wouldn't be learning anything new either.

 

[magnatom]

Exactly. It's only through debate that progress is made.

In fact I will add to the debate a little later when I post my next video. I nearly had an incident this morning on a filter which was definitely in the category of minimal risk. I won't give the game away yet, but something happened which I certainly wasn't expecting! B)

 

[Cab]

It'd be really boring if we all agreed, and we wouldn't be learning anything new either.

As for the most part we're all so disagreeable, I think that boredom due to us all agreeing is unlikely.

 

[Origamist]

Phew, I'm really glad your interweb tiff is over - it was heartbreaking reading and reminded me of those sad days when Steps split-up in 2001. B)

 

[Nigeyy]

Group hug, group hug

 

[magnatom]

Group hug, group hug

Eugh! Someone here has BO! I'll be staying out of the group hugs from now on.....

 

[BentMikey]

Must be that stinky sweaty heavy breathing scotsman. I haven't cycled today, can't be me.

 

[magnatom]

Must be that stinky sweaty heavy breathing scotsman. I haven't cycled today, can't be me.

Nah, I don't think goo_mason has posted on this thread...