That's an ADVANCED driving test. The standard test is less than adequate in the first place.
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That's an ADVANCED driving test. The standard test is less than adequate in the first place.
pshore
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Last contour N of Cambridge
There are always going to be people at the financially squeezed end of the scale and any additional cost will be screamed at. This is why it is such a hard sell especially as people will be saying you've priced me off the road and I can't get to work/shops/see-family etc.
The hardship-without-car argument is exactly what is played out in courts after somebody has caused death or injury with their vehicle and so we go all lenient on them.
The difference is prevention vs punishment. It is difficult to apply more stick if you don't provide a carrot, or a way of helping people up their standards.
The hardship-without-car argument is exactly what is played out in courts after somebody has caused death or injury with their vehicle and so we go all lenient on them.
The difference is prevention vs punishment. It is difficult to apply more stick if you don't provide a carrot, or a way of helping people up their standards.
Mad at urage
New Member
- Location
- Just N of Cardiff
http://www.iam.org.uk/latest_news/givethemaskillforlifethischristmas.html
£140 all in: OK it's a voluntary organisation but it shows the level of cost and where we could start looking for trainers and assessors.
But it'll never fly in the face of the rest of the motoring lobby (but increased use of "pass another test before you get your licence back" as a punishment ... might.
£140 all in: OK it's a voluntary organisation but it shows the level of cost and where we could start looking for trainers and assessors.
But it'll never fly in the face of the rest of the motoring lobby (but increased use of "pass another test before you get your licence back" as a punishment ... might.
John the Monkey
Frivolous Cyclist
- Location
- Crewe
Doubt it. They were up in arms over stiffer punishments for drivers who actually kill people earlier in the week.
pshore
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Last contour N of Cambridge
There's an interesting blog posting by David Hembrow comparing the Netherlands to the UK for response to a road crash.
The video talks about a new driver who had lost control of their car hitting three cyclists causing minor injuries. Their licence was suspended (because they were on probation) and had to pay 800 euros to take a retest.
The video talks about a new driver who had lost control of their car hitting three cyclists causing minor injuries. Their licence was suspended (because they were on probation) and had to pay 800 euros to take a retest.
Keith Oates
Janner
- Location
- Penarth, Wales
Taking regular driving tests would not IMO alter the problems we have on the roads, these problems are caused by the selfish attitude of many drivers when they get behind the wheel of a car. I notice this more and more on my visits to the UK and it is something that a driving test would not stop. I have to say though that this problem is not just apparent to car drivers but unfortunately applies to many people from ALL walks of life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XmisterIS
Purveyor of fine nonsense
As others have said, regular assessment would be costly and wouldn't improve the situation one jot.
Consider the classroom full of rowdy students who suddenly rush to their desks as soon as they hear the teacher coming and sit there like butter wouldn't melt as he walks into the room.
What we need is driver re-education - teaching people that by sitting back, relaxing, and being attentive to other road users the driver will still get to their destination in time. I think it's important to teach people to see the vehicle and not the driver - as soon as we see another vehicle as a driver then we imbue it will a personality and a brain and something to be interacted with. If we just see it as a large lump of metal travelling at high speed, then we see it as a hazard to be noted and tracked in case it does something dangerous. For example, if someone accidentally dropped a hammer on you, you wouldn't get pissed off with the hammer, would you?
The other thing that aggressive drivers need to be taught is that 99% of "cut-ups" are not deliberate - they occur just because the other driver is not paying attention. A picture-perfect example of this happened just yesterday as I was riding my motorbike through rush-hour traffic into Chichester - I was overtaking a stationary column of traffic when a white van just pulled out directly into my path. I sounded a horn and applied the brakes pretty sharply! When I pulled alongside, I gave the driver a long, hard stare and he looked shocked and waved at me apologetically and I could see him saying "I'm sorry". What good would it have done for me to loose my rag in that situation? How would it have helped anyone? Not at all! I just shook my head and carried on. It wasn't a personal attack against me, the idiot just didn't look! I was prepared for that and took the necessary action without getting angry and confontational.
Consider the classroom full of rowdy students who suddenly rush to their desks as soon as they hear the teacher coming and sit there like butter wouldn't melt as he walks into the room.
What we need is driver re-education - teaching people that by sitting back, relaxing, and being attentive to other road users the driver will still get to their destination in time. I think it's important to teach people to see the vehicle and not the driver - as soon as we see another vehicle as a driver then we imbue it will a personality and a brain and something to be interacted with. If we just see it as a large lump of metal travelling at high speed, then we see it as a hazard to be noted and tracked in case it does something dangerous. For example, if someone accidentally dropped a hammer on you, you wouldn't get pissed off with the hammer, would you?
The other thing that aggressive drivers need to be taught is that 99% of "cut-ups" are not deliberate - they occur just because the other driver is not paying attention. A picture-perfect example of this happened just yesterday as I was riding my motorbike through rush-hour traffic into Chichester - I was overtaking a stationary column of traffic when a white van just pulled out directly into my path. I sounded a horn and applied the brakes pretty sharply! When I pulled alongside, I gave the driver a long, hard stare and he looked shocked and waved at me apologetically and I could see him saying "I'm sorry". What good would it have done for me to loose my rag in that situation? How would it have helped anyone? Not at all! I just shook my head and carried on. It wasn't a personal attack against me, the idiot just didn't look! I was prepared for that and took the necessary action without getting angry and confontational.
pshore
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Last contour N of Cambridge
There is another way of doing this - licences that expire after 5 years like a firearms certificate.
To renew, you could apply, and if your driving record shows 'something', you then have to prove you are fit to drive.
For anyone not keeping their standards to a high level, they risk not getting your licence back and the financial cost of additional lessons or self training. There is then an incentive to keep standards high so you are not caught.
http://www.met.police.uk/firearms_licensing/faqs.html
To renew, you could apply, and if your driving record shows 'something', you then have to prove you are fit to drive.
For anyone not keeping their standards to a high level, they risk not getting your licence back and the financial cost of additional lessons or self training. There is then an incentive to keep standards high so you are not caught.
http://www.met.police.uk/firearms_licensing/faqs.html
XmisterIS
Purveyor of fine nonsense
Lol! Does that include standing in the middle of the street with your knickers on your head, wielding a 12-bore and shouting, "Daddy's coming!"?
ComedyPilot
Secret Lemonade Drinker
- Location
- The Kingdom of Yorkshire
Voted yes to both.
No way it could be implemented with the number of UK drivers, there's just too many.
I have no fear of driving assessments, as I passed the police response and initial pursuit course with flying colours.
An idea would be £50.00 once a year for a 1 hour driver MOT, to check up on observation skills, vehicle handling and manouvering in traffic would be a damn sight better than letting us fester for 30+ years with no re-test.
No way it could be implemented with the number of UK drivers, there's just too many.
I have no fear of driving assessments, as I passed the police response and initial pursuit course with flying colours.
An idea would be £50.00 once a year for a 1 hour driver MOT, to check up on observation skills, vehicle handling and manouvering in traffic would be a damn sight better than letting us fester for 30+ years with no re-test.
ComedyPilot
Secret Lemonade Drinker
- Location
- The Kingdom of Yorkshire
3 cyclists get injured, one of them with a bruised knee, and the press are in uproar. They hound (for want of a better word) the motorist demanding an interview/explanation for days.
Here, cyclists get KILLED and we are told to shut up because we 'don't pay road tax'
Get me my passport, I know where I would feel safer.