Ebay question

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by Bigtallfatbloke, 21 Jan 2008.

  1. Bigtallfatbloke

    Bigtallfatbloke New Member

    I have never done anything on ebay but recently I have been trying to buy something. I have therefore got no 'history'. I have been bidding on a few things over the last week and I have found this:

    1) No more than two bidders have entered including me
    2) The other bidder always enters after I do
    3) The auction is shut early

    I suspect that the other bidder is actually the seller (or a friend) simply trying to push my bid up to find out where my maximum bid is. Then they shut the auction because the bids are too low and I am the only bidder. The excuse has been that 'the item is either lost or has broken'

    Is this correct? Is it common practice?Is it within the rules?

    I have also seen auctions where the seller says that bidders with no 'history' will be deleted. How can you get a 'history' if you cant bid?
    Seems to me that most of what is occurring is simple profiteering and passing an item around from one seller to be sold on to another seller, excluding the genuine buyer who is interested in the product rather than the profit within that product.
  2. red_tom

    red_tom New Member

    East London
    I always snipe when buying stuff from ebay. You can either download a tool or use a website like www.auctionsniper.com. I use the website as you don't have to leave your computer on all the time.

    They let you put in you bid at the last moment (usually about 5 seconds) before the auction ends. This stops annoying habits like the one above and also stops you chasing the price up higher than you originally planned. It also leaves no time for other people to react to your bid.
  3. fossyant

    fossyant Ride It Like You Stole It!

    South Manchester
    It's not something I've come across - what sort of items are they ?
  4. Danny

    Danny Legendary Member

    Sellers are not supposed to shut an auction early, except in some specific circumstance set out by eBay. I have occasionally had this happen to me - usually I suspect because the seller has accepted some sort of direct offer from a buyer. However eBay sometimes halts auctions if they think the seller is dodgey.

    After being badly stung by one seller, I only bid on items being sold by sellers with a 90%+ postive score and a large number of sales.

    Could you post a link to some of the sales you have mentioned then maybe we could get a better idea of what was going on.
  5. barq

    barq Senior Member

    Birmingham, UK
    Bidding on your own items (or getting someone else to do it for you) is not something Ebay looks kindly upon. Have a look at their shill bidding pages. Repeatedly ending listings early could also fall foul of Ebay's non-performing seller rules.

    Some sellers do avoid people with zero feedback. It isn't fair, but unfortunately sellers will try and protect themselves against dodgy buyers and looking for a good feedback record is one way of doing that. My advice would be to make one or two small 'Buy It Now' purchases (even if they just end up being birthday presents for other people, or stuff you'd have bought anyway). That way you at least have some feedback. Don't go buying electronic books for £0.01 each because that looks really suspicious - they only exist as a means of bumping up people's feedback. The other strategy is to email the seller in advance and try to convince them you are new but genuine.

    Last minute buying (sniping) can be quite effective. Whether you actually want to set up software to do it is a moot point, but bidding in the last few minutes is a good idea because the price doesn't usually rise as high - conversely items with early bids sell for more money.
  6. LordoftheTeapot

    LordoftheTeapot Veteran

    Everybody starts with zero ratings. ;)
  7. LordoftheTeapot

    LordoftheTeapot Veteran

    BTW... If your planing on selling something, list it on Thursday (24th). Half price listing day. Check the rules though. (IE Not for buy-it-now ((only)))
  8. bobg

    bobg Über Member

    Crosby Merseyside
    If you do bid and win then make sure you pay by paypal, you ca claim back via them if the item is faulty, wrongly advertised etc and paypal invariably side with the buyer. Its not such a good system if you sell though,

    Before you bid anything over £20 I'd spend a couple of evenings browsing the E Bay community forums - new to selling/buying etc., it'll give you a feel for what goes on and the probs encountered
  9. OP

    Bigtallfatbloke New Member


    this is a current auction. There are several BAD comments on the other biders 'history'.


    this auction was ended by the seller and the bid history has been removed. I was first and then another came in and pumped up the price, but when he realised I wasnt playing his game the auction closed
  10. Danny

    Danny Legendary Member

    In the case of the second link, the seller looks legitimate, so I suspect he may just have had a direct offer from someone he knows, and decided that accepting that was was easier than having to ship an amp to someone buying over ebay.

    I know nothing about amp sales, so am not sure how many bids you would typically expect to see. But in a lot of auctions there is very little activity until the last few hours or minutes. A good tip is to watch a few similar sales to get an idea of price and the way in which people bid - it will then be easier to spot if something dodgey is going on when you join in the bidding.
  11. LordoftheTeapot

    LordoftheTeapot Veteran

    I just bought a pint mug on e bay celebrating 200 years of brewing by Courage (Circa 1987) for .99p. It was listed in the collectable mugs area, for tea type, not brewiarna, hence I was the only bidder. ;)
  12. abchandler

    abchandler Senior Member

    Worcs, UK
    Celebrating a drink other than tea? You'll be defrocked, man
  13. LordoftheTeapot

    LordoftheTeapot Veteran

    Not using the pint mug, to good for that. For display...

  14. bobg

    bobg Über Member

    Crosby Merseyside
    As Danny said, the seller looks legit but the buyer has not paid on a few things so you might still be lucky and get a second chance offer if he doesnt pay up again. Theres no sign that the seller has used that buyer before to up the ante in other sales in the sellers history. I'd post a message on the "new to buying" discussion board listing your concerns, there's some really helpful people on there who will analyse the transaction to the nth degree.
    My tip for the future for what its worth would be bid in the last 5 seconds and bid the max you are prepared to pay. I use auctionstealer if its a 4am job but even with the £5 a months sub you still dont get really last minute bids in. If you're blood pressure can stand it then open 2 windows on the screen one with the time left which you need to continually refresh with you f5 button and one with your max bid already in just leaving you the need to click once to "cornfirm.... all that with one eye on your PC's clock ( download T clock exe) set synchronised to E Bays one and running down in seconds... I just love it!;)
  15. OP

    Bigtallfatbloke New Member


    I just want the amp..and i want it cheap...I cant be bothered with all this wheeler dealer stuff..
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