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Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
[QUOTE 2737426, member: 1314"]The rural Punjab was a desolate place in the early part of the last century, with a subsistence living to be made from the soil. My paternal granddad was murdered by his brother for his land, and that land now belongs to my cousins. My dad is sanguine about it, saying the blood revenge doesn't fall on the descendants. He's made a fortune by dealing in land in the same village, anyway, owning a large chunk of the property, business and land as the urbanisation of the Punjab continues.

He came to Britain in the late 50s and made a living by robbing banks and as a hired thug. That's when he made his first small fortune by dealing in property on the side. He lost it when he spent time in Wormwood Scrubs. When he came out he married my mum, went back to India where there was an assassination attempt on his life. He thinks it was related to one of the beatings he delivered in Britain. He survived, but my mum's best mate took the blow of the bomb, and she passed away in her arms. It was in the house that belonged to my cousins who own that house which my great-grand Uncle killed for.

I don't make any judgements, though, as the Punjab was even more lawless than, then now, and now it is still bandit country. My dad, when a boy, also remembers the trains coming across the Pakistani border into the Indian Punjab after partition, full of bodies.

My dad's been well-behaved since those days, and regrets his behaviour. I only found out last year. My maternal great-granddad had what is clearly bi-polar. However he was just considered "mad" and spent his life chained at the farm. My mum brought me to Britain when I was 6 months to join my dad in the 60s.

We're Jat Sikhs and until my generation, losing the purity of that caste line was just not done, as the caste sees itself as elite. We're more egalitarian though, well my family is, and I like to think of us as citizens of the world. Which is why I live in London. It's that diversity. The mono-culture of the Punjab is actually holding it back - I can go there for weeks and not see one white or black person except at the airport. That makes it rather moribund for me and which is why I would hesitate to move there permanently. Immigrants of all types add drive.

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I think I speak for the entire forum when I say...S****! That is one family story.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
Social integration is the best way to strengthen the gene pool. Communities or groups that are very insular in their outlook ie little to no social interaction with other population groups and lots of in breeding tend to have less diverse gene pools which may give rise to serious genetic anomalies which can manifest themselves with serious physical conditions which can affect things such as life expectancy amongst others. Shagging close relations which can happen if a population gets too small weakens the gene pool ie shagging your brother or sister or even cousins can lead to familial gene defects.
 
Location
Beds
[QUOTE 2737426, member: 1314"]The rural Punjab was a desolate place in the early part of the last century, with a subsistence living to be made from the soil. My paternal granddad was murdered by his brother for his land, and that land now belongs to my cousins. My dad is sanguine about it, saying the blood revenge doesn't fall on the descendants. He's made a fortune by dealing in land in the same village, anyway, owning a large chunk of the property, business and land as the urbanisation of the Punjab continues.

He came to Britain in the late 50s and made a living by robbing banks and as a hired thug. That's when he made his first small fortune by dealing in property on the side. He lost it when he spent time in Wormwood Scrubs. When he came out he married my mum, went back to India where there was an assassination attempt on his life. He thinks it was related to one of the beatings he delivered in Britain. He survived, but my mum's best mate took the blow of the bomb, and she passed away in her arms. It was in the house that belonged to my cousins who own that house which my great-grand Uncle killed for.

I don't make any judgements, though, as the Punjab was even more lawless than, then now, and now it is still bandit country. My dad, when a boy, also remembers the trains coming across the Pakistani border into the Indian Punjab after partition, full of bodies.

My dad's been well-behaved since those days, and regrets his behaviour. I only found out last year. My maternal great-granddad had what is clearly bi-polar. However he was just considered "mad" and spent his life chained at the farm. My mum brought me to Britain when I was 6 months to join my dad in the 60s.

We're Jat Sikhs and until my generation, losing the purity of that caste line was just not done, as the caste sees itself as elite. We're more egalitarian though, well my family is, and I like to think of us as citizens of the world. Which is why I live in London. It's that diversity. The mono-culture of the Punjab is actually holding it back - I can go there for weeks and not see one white or black person except at the airport. That makes it rather moribund for me and which is why I would hesitate to move there permanently. Immigrants of all types add drive.

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User169

Guest
[QUOTE 2737426, member: 1314"]
We're Jat Sikhs and until my generation, losing the purity of that caste line was just not done, as the caste sees itself as elite. [/quote]

I had a sikh colleague in London. When she announced she was getting married - to another sikh - her parents refused to speak to her ever again. I think she did manage to talk to her mother now and again, but I don't think her father relented. I didn't fully understand the reasons, but I got the impression there was some underlying caste issue.
 

Linford

Guest
[QUOTE 2737639, member: 1314"]My cousin and my brother-in-law both married hindu girls. Both their parents were against it. When they finally accepted it, I overheard the 2 dads talking talking:

"Well, they may not be Jat Sikh but at least the girls are Indian." :rofl:

I find it frustrating when people just don't mix. I was going out with this black woman whose parents were Jamaican, back in the day. Before she agreed to start seeing me one of her filtering questions was:

"Are you wanting to see me because you're a cultural tourist?" She was from Wolverhampton where nobody mixed, least the blacks and the Indians. She left me for a rasta social worker from Brixton. I liked her.

Never had a red-haired girlfriend, though. One who dyed her hair red but that's different.[/quote]


Q..does the caste system exist in Sikhism in India , and if so does it extend to people living in the UK ?

Scrub that...just looked it up on Wiki.
 
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goo_mason

Champion barbed-wire hurdler
Location
Leith, Edinburgh
Great-grandad on my Mum's side: Irish
Few generations back on the maternal side of Mum's family: Irish
Dad's side: all Scottish as far back as I've been able to trace, coming down from Inverness to the Borders and then up to Midlothian.

Emigrants: grandad's brother married an English girl after the war and move to Loughton in Essex.
My brother - moved to London at the end of the 90s
Sister - lives in Houston, Texas and is married to a native of New Orleans. Nephew born in 2008 is a Texan!
Cousin - born in Dundee, married and living in Australia.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Social integration is the best way to strengthen the gene pool. Communities or groups that are very insular in their outlook ie little to no social interaction with other population groups and lots of in breeding tend to have less diverse gene pools which may give rise to serious genetic anomalies which can manifest themselves with serious physical conditions which can affect things such as life expectancy amongst others. Shagging close relations which can happen if a population gets too small weakens the gene pool ie shagging your brother or sister or even cousins can lead to familial gene defects.

2737534 said:
Yep, just look at any EDL rally and that sad truth is all too clear to see.

In Bradford in the close knit Asian community most of them coming from Mirpur, heredity disease causes heartache for some parents who marry relatives. I found it difficult to cope with teaching three brothers who all had muscular dystrophy and the siblings who both had cystic fibrosis. It's horrible knowing that the affected kids who's future you are moulding in the classroom will not have the opportunity to participate in it for much longer. God knows how the parents cope. A neighbour who works as a dietician has a large proportion of her caseload occupied by asian youngsters who have inherited a digestive disorders from their parents who themselves might only be carriers rather than suffers. Genetic counselling is offered to the parents as a matter of course but it is mostly declined.

I never thought that I'd find anything to agree with in anything that Crankarm posts in his usual abrasive and insensitive style but he does have a valid point.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
"that's not just a different country, it's a different world."

And the best world.

That's typical Tyke hubris.

Yorkshire is third best. Read about it here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24713858
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
When it suits me I lay claim to ancestors who were: Scottish, Welsh, English and Jamaican with a smattering of Judaism on the Jamaican side and Quaker on the English side mingle with a bit of Methodism.

I can claim membership of more minority groups than you can shake a stick at and have been flattered and amused to being identified as Maori, Polynesian, Arabic, Aboriginal, Indian and being claimed by them as a member of their race.

I honestly couldn't give a monkey's about my heritage real or virtual and plough a furrow through life spreading mischief, incendiaries and fun unimpeded by any cultural sensitivities that I ought to have inherited from my kaleidoscopic heritage.
 

Linford

Guest
When it suits me I lay claim to ancestors who were: Scottish, Welsh, English and Jamaican with a smattering of Judaism on the Jamaican side and Quaker on the English side mingle with a bit of Methodism.

I can claim membership of more minority groups than you can shake a stick at and have been flattered and amused to being identified as Maori, Polynesian, Arabic, Aboriginal, Indian and being claimed by them as a member of their race.

I honestly couldn't give a monkey's about my heritage real or virtual and plough a furrow through life spreading mischief, incendiaries and fun unimpeded by any cultural sensitivities that I ought to have inherited from my kaleidoscopic heritage.


So what you are saying is that us Mongrels make the best dogs :biggrin:
 

asterix

Comrade Member
Location
Limoges or York
Although born the other side of the world, it was in the British Empire at the time so I don't regard myself as an immigrant. They moved the goal posts not me.
 

Linford

Guest
Although born the other side of the world, it was in the British Empire at the time so I don't regard myself as an immigrant. They moved the goal posts not me.

My brother feels the same way. He was born in RAF Changi hospital in Singapore (which was then sovereign soil)...still bugs him that he was though.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
In Bradford in the close knit Asian community most of them coming from Mirpur, heredity disease causes heartache for some parents who marry relatives. I found it difficult to cope with teaching three brothers who all had muscular dystrophy and the siblings who both had cystic fibrosis. It's horrible knowing that the affected kids who's future you are moulding in the classroom will not have the opportunity to participate in it for much longer. God knows how the parents cope. A neighbour who works as a dietician has a large proportion of her caseload occupied by asian youngsters who have inherited a digestive disorders from their parents who themselves might only be carriers rather than suffers. Genetic counselling is offered to the parents as a matter of course but it is mostly declined.

I never thought that I'd find anything to agree with in anything that Crankarm posts in his usual abrasive and insensitive style but he does have a valid point.

You really can't help yourself can you, having a go at me, even when I make a salient valid scientific point. I knew when I saw I had an alert that YOU had replied to my post that it would definitely not be complimentary. I don't really care whether you think I have a valid point or not, as I know it IS very valid. However what I take issue with is your rather spiteful and unnecessary comment that accompanies it.
 
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