@livsurvey - I have been truly baffled by the Liv brand for a while. Giant won me over in my search for my first road bike because
- They charged the same for the Defy and the equivalent Avail across the range (in 2012 many mainstream manufacturers charged extra for their women's models)
- The Avail suited my body and other brands equalled but not surpassed this.
- The Giant retailer was supportive (a few others matched it, but that was a factor) ... Giant Twickenham, for the record.
- (I'm shallow) the model I was looking at was red.
But since buying it and putting 34,000km on it, I am mystified by the Liv brand. I have stood in several different Giant franchise stores and tried to understand it. I have recently been to the Liv website, and tried to understand it. I don't. I think I would have bought another bike if Giant had ghettoised their women's road bikes to Liv in 2012.
Can you explain the brand to me?