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Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
I didn't miss the point, I understood it very well - but as I said the point you make matters not a jot.

Brand on the annual statement says Aviva.

Website login says Aviva.

Service centre says Aviva.

Profits will be taken by Aviva.

The Ombudsman will, I expect, speak to Aviva.

There is no get out of jail card because 'it used to be company x, so it's not really us, we just bought it to make money, not to be accountable for running it' - it's a moment of truth and they royally screwed it up.

You have completely missed his point again.

He wasn't for one moment suggesting there might be any "get out of jail free" card, or any excuse at all for what y0ou have experienced.

All he was saying is that there really isn't a "generic Aviva", and whiile the team managing yours were obviously crap, that doesn't mean other people now with Aviva will experience the same, if their product was originally somewhere else.


I'm sure there are many, many satisfied Aviva customers - I used to be one of them, as did my wife. That is, until I actually wanted to retire and, well, you know, access my money, which is rather the point. Readers will draw whatever conclusions they want, but I'm sure that they are unlikely to be stupid enough to think that I am seeking to imply that everyone who uses Aviva will experience this level of incompetence - that would be rather foolish of them and me, and anyone who sought to infer than from what I wrote.

Anybody who DIDN'T ink that was what you were meaning with your first post can't read.

What you said was simply "Apropos Aviva. Awful administration, truly awful. Avoid if possible, there's lots who value your custom."
 

mikeIow

Guru
Location
Leicester
Thanks Alex, that’s exactly my point 👍

A quick google suggests (from Aviva) that they have some 5 million pension scheme members in more than 26,000 schemes. A crazy number, but not a surprise given how that industry changed over the past 20-30 (or more) years 😜

It might help others here if Bonefish was able to mention which scheme he and his IFA have had issues with 🤷‍♂️

Just grumbling about Aviva being sh*t doesn’t really help anyone: in my experience, a sample of one, Aviva have been fine 🤣

Good luck, Bonefish, hopefully you or your IFA get things sorted, and you get to move away from Aviva. Let us know where you move to and how well it works out 🤞
 

Bonefish Blues

Banging donk
Location
52 Festive Road
I thought It'd be useful to update the thread with my wife and my experience of Aviva and its maladministration. Not least because it signally failed to stop digging in the interim.

Here's what has happened to date to each of us:

Aviva took from mid February until mid May to give the scheme rules v-a-v the treatment of my pension to our IFA. There was no explanation, nor apology, and I had to deliver information to them (which they took until late April to even request from me - and which I returned to them in a day) in order that they could then tell me what my options were. Our IFA finally received them late last week and can now complete his planning for us.

Aviva has just sent my latest Annual Plan Summary. It's my largest holding, and a not insignificant number, at least to me. The financial summary does not add up - literally does not add up, it's a gobbledegook of apparently random numbers. My IFA contacted them today. They say it is a clerical input error and it will be reissued.

Aviva is also my wife's largest pension holding, another significant sum. Our Advisor requested her first drawdown on 15th March, well within Aviva's SLA, to ensure she used her 24-25 Personal Allowance. My wife finally received the second part of her drawdown (the non TFLS payment) on 14th May, over 2 weeks after the TFLS portion (28th April, already weeks after the Tax Year End), and only after the IFA chased its payment. Nobody could explain why it had not been paid when the first part had, it had simply been overlooked. As you will see below, Aviva are very sorry, they offer no particular explanation for the initial error that my wife, across several calls over c5 hours in March pointed out to them* save to say that they did not understand what our IFA was requesting on our behalf - which is really quite remarkable, if one thinks about it. It's also obviously nonsense, since they sent her a drawdown quotation - just an incorrectly calculated one.

Aviva unilaterally opened a complaint (they didn't ask my wife to frame it, nor did they confirm its terms with her) - which they subsequently apologised was taking them longer than their usual SLA to investigate and resolve. They have now accepted that this whole situation was completely their error, and made a compensatory payment, which was received prior to their 'sorry' letter's arrival. Unfortunately, whilst it's several hundred pounds, it's well short of her consequential loss, so we will have to go back to detail these losses and seek further compensation.

We are of the view that there is something wrong with Aviva's core business processes - it gets fundamental things wrong, like simple drawdowns, and annual statements, and it is unable to tell plan holders what their options and benefits are as they come up to retirement. It fails to resolve them in a timely manner. It has already caused untold stress to both of us, just at a time when things should run smoothly, and there will be still more to come when we have to seek full compensation.

It's a sample of only two, and they were originally (different) schemes that Aviva** acquired roughly 10-12 years ago but between us we have pensions with no fewer than 9 companies in total, so we're perhaps in a better position than many to weigh different providers' service. It's hard for us to trust an organisation which takes such little care in the administration of something so important.


*Their quotation numbers did not make sense because her drawdown account would be in a negative balance - something that is obviously impossible - as she attempted, unsuccessfully, to explain to them on multiple calls.

**Aviva is itself a relatively recent construct, albeit one which can trace a thread of history back a long way - many (most?) Aviva Plans exist because they bought the pension business of, or merged with other providers and created the Aviva brand. In so doing it assumed the FCA duty and moral responsibility to correctly administer its customers' accounts, irrespective of their origins.
 

PaulSB

Squire
@Bonefish Blues clearly things have gone badly for you. If I might make one small observation. Your IFA allowed 15 working days for your wife's TFLS to be requested, processed and paid. My experience with three good providers is payments can take 10 - 15 days to arrive. Applying just three weeks before the end of the tax year leaves no wriggle room if things go wrong.

I would expect my IFA to know and advise me of this and would be disappointed if she didn't make allowance for this.
 

Bonefish Blues

Banging donk
Location
52 Festive Road
@Bonefish Blues clearly things have gone badly for you. If I might make one small observation. Your IFA allowed 15 working days for your wife's TFLS to be requested, processed and paid. My experience with three good providers is payments can take 10 - 15 days to arrive. Applying just three weeks before the end of the tax year leaves no wriggle room if things go wrong.

I would expect my IFA to know and advise me of this and would be disappointed if she didn't make allowance for this.

Agreed - we were careful to ensure we were within the provider's delivery SLA*, but in hindsight we should perhaps have added a further 6 weeks to that! I drew down £ from 2 of my providers at the same time. One delivered in 3 days**, the other in c10***, but again well within the 24-25 Tax Year.

We were, of course, holding off these drawdowns whilst waiting for information from a provider whose name no longer needs to be mentioned so that our IFA could give us proper advice. AS I mentioned, the information arrived just before last weekend.

*Who were very quick to cite it to my wife when it passed due to their maladministration, she noted. They had no recovery mechanism.
**Online, slick & impressive use of technology as an enabler.
***Manual, rather cumbersome, but delivered on their stated commitment.
 
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mikeIow

Guru
Location
Leicester
@Bonefish - you still haven’t said which scheme (schemes?) you and your IFA have had issues with.
Might help others.
As I pointed out above: Aviva have perhaps some 5 million pension scheme members in more than 26,000 schemes!

Sounds like you are slowly getting there….but clearly very painful.
 

MrGrumpy

Huge Member
Location
Fly Fifer
Something that very much should be banned is allowing estate agents to sell mortgages. There's a huge conflict of interest if they make more money selling a mortgage to the buyer than their fee from the seller for selling the actual house.

And i should stress I have (mostly) had good service from estate agents both as a buyer and seller, though back in the 80s I very much got the drift that my offer wasn't going anywhere unless I was also buying a mortgage (specifically an endowment mortgage) at the same time. There were a couple of short-lived very low cost estate agents who were presumably in the mortgage business rather than estate agent business; the latter simply being a loss-leader

funnily enough eldest son has just bought a house, first time buyer. Estate agent offered to sort his mortage, so got a quote with lawyers fees. Did his own research and also used the same lawyer and fees about £300 less....... absolute rippinbg it.
 

MrGrumpy

Huge Member
Location
Fly Fifer
Been reading this thread with interest, currently in my early 50s . Been working with same company for 36yrs ( rare thing ) 20 years final salary and the last 16 has been a mish mash since they closed that pension fund down. We have all been moved into a new collective defined scheme.
What I decided to do last year was to start paying in AVCs and also taking up the option of paying an extra 2% to my lump sum in addition, I dont see any downsides to this at all.

Come retirement , my pension will be our main income, albeit we both will have fully paid up state pensions but that's a while away !

Now SJP is something I`m familiar with, kinda ended up here by default when my father died. mum is still around but both my sister and I are involved in the decisions around the estate now.

I`m aware they charge large in comparison fees, however now looking at the reports we see , the FA involved with the investments has not done a bad job !?
 

Psamathe

Senior Member
Now SJP is something I`m familiar with, kinda ended up here by default when my father died. mum is still around but both my sister and I are involved in the decisions around the estate now.

I`m aware they charge large in comparison fees, however now looking at the reports we see , the FA involved with the investments has not done a bad job !?
In my experience they can be "variable". Many years ago wanting to invest (well above SJPs "investable amount" and the SJP FA who handled all family investments went through options, money arrived and too months to gte no response to the "Where do I put the money" so in the end I had to go to non-SJP investments.

Currently my financial position is not complex, though for historical reasons have a reasonable investment through them. Current SJP FA is OK but there isn't much for him to "advise" so the annual meeting (obligatory under FCA/SJP rules) is a bit of a waste of time.

Current and previous SJP FAs were independent companies but all SJP investments, trained by SJP, etc. I have the impressiuon that most are.

SJP main company did make a fair number of redundancies last Dec as part of a "cost base reduction" which doesn't not directly apply to their "agents". Raised this with my FA and he made it out as not a big issue.
St James’s Place to axe 500 jobs in £200m cost-cutting drive
This article is more than 5 months old
Redundancies at wealth management company will not affect its 4,800 financial advisers around the UK
Ian
 

PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
What you have to remember is that SJPPartners are not employees but are self employed independents trading under the SJP banner. Most of their income comes as commission on new money they attract into the business. They are less interested in ongoing returns.

I looked at moving our money to them a few years ago. Their transfer/set-up charges plus annual fee was shocking. And whopping exit charge if moving within 5 years looked more like punishment than legitimate charge.
 
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mikeIow

Guru
Location
Leicester
What you have to remember is that SJPPartners are not employees but are self employed independents trading under the SJP banner. Most of their income comes as commission on new money they attract into the business. They are less interested in ongoing returns.

I looked at moving our money to them a few years ago. Their transfer/set-up charges plus annual fee was shocking. And whopping exit charge if moving within 5 years looked more like punishment than legitimate charge.

Also worth remembering that although you describe them as “self employed independents”….they are NOT Independent - as in IFAs - they are tied to selling SJP funds, so ”just” a FA.

There isn’t a barge pole long enough for me to touch them with, but others are clearly “happy” to use them 🫣
 

PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
Also worth remembering that although you describe them as “self employed independents”….they are NOT Independent - as in IFAs - they are tied to selling SJP funds, so ”just” a FA.

There isn’t a barge pole long enough for me to touch them with, but others are clearly “happy” to use them 🫣

Correct.
Good and important point.
 

simongt

Guru
Location
Norwich
I've considered using IFAs in the past, but in the real world, financial advice is nothing more than best guesstimating with your money and you paying a premium for it.
Only takes a change in the world stocks & shares market somewhere in the world for a knock on effect to take place elsewhere ( think Trump and his current policies ) for it to have a possibly disastrous effect in your investments.
After all, it's financial 'advice', nothing assured or certain about any of it and the IFA can't be held responsible either. :dry:
 
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