Fixed penalty notices

[chillyuk]

Every now and then people come on here bemoaning the fact that they have been issued a Fixed Penalty Notice.

What happens if you have no identification on you. After all bikes are not like cars with registration plates. What steps do they take to identify you before issuing the penalty.

Is this a situation where a false name and address would work.

 

[dudi]

no.
Why lie to the police?

If you've broken the law, take the concequences.

 

[snorri]

Is this a situation where a false name and address would work.

Might do, give it a try and let us know. I don't think we have had any posts from "inside" before.

 

[downfader]

I agree with Dudi tbh. A workmate said he would give false details (or ride off at speed) if stopped. I think they have pretty much every other name on database, so if you say "I'm Jack Nicolson from Blarney Street" they can cross reference that name with the address.

 

[Crankarm]

C'mon fess up !

 

[chillyuk]

I am totally innocent, 'onest Guv.

I actually thought about it reading the chaps post today, and my interest is purely hypothetical, and to be stored away for the future "just in case"

 

[marinyork]

Every now and then people come on here bemoaning the fact that they have been issued a Fixed Penalty Notice.

What happens if you have no identification on you. After all bikes are not like cars with registration plates. What steps do they take to identify you before issuing the penalty.

Is this a situation where a false name and address would work.

They'll be on the police radio for 15 minutes. When I was a ped I used to get stopped by the police regularly and as it would be for mundane things like popping up to the shops for milk/paper and as the risk of mugging was quite high I'd just take a very small amount of money which used to enrage the police.

 

[Crankarm]

I am totally innocent, 'onest Guv.

I actually thought about it reading the chaps post today, and my interest is purely hypothetical, and to be stored away for the future "just in case"

Lying to anyone, not least the police, is not a smart move .

 

[dudi]

They'll be on the police radio for 15 minutes. When I was a ped I used to get stopped by the police regularly and as it would be for mundane things like popping up to the shops for milk/paper and as the risk of mugging was quite high I'd just take a very small amount of money which used to enrage the police.

Are you suggesting that our fine officers of the law were looking for backhanders?

 

[Crankarm]

They'll be on the police radio for 15 minutes. When I was a ped I used to get stopped by the police regularly and as it would be for mundane things like popping up to the shops for milk/paper and as the risk of mugging was quite high I'd just take a very small amount of money which used to enrage the police.

Huh ...... ? You were mugger or a victim of a mugging or the police were doing the mugging, think not, but you say they were enraged as you only had a very small amount of money on you? What ............ were they expecting to find wads of £50 notes, i-pods and mobile phones on you? Do you look shifty MY? Is that what you're trying to tell us ?

 

[marinyork]

Are you suggesting that our fine officers of the law were looking for backhanders?

No. If anything I'm suggesting they treat cyclists and pedestrians disproportionately badly versus cars. If I'm walking to the local shops why should I take more money than I need or things that people could use for identity fraud and would cost money/time to replace?

Someone asked what would happen I'm just saying scenario outlined in opening post, that people do give false details often or they used to. That if you don't have any "ID" on you and forget to say all the right things to them if they aren't busy they'll be on the radio and be having a chat with you. It might even last as long as 15 minutes.

On the other hand I've never been given a FPN, I have been told off by the police a number of times where they were in error. Usually they say oh and let it go, last time they were giving a driver a telling off for driving down a one way street and said that I shouldn't be there either (it was a contraflow cycle lane).

edit: Crankarm what the police didn't like was that I'd take no "ID", phone (didn't have one), wallet etc. just when popping round the corner. Why should I? It would be stupid. So the police have two choices, they can believe what I say earlier or go on checking and checking and checking on their radios taking up their time. It's not my problem they make poor decisions.

 

[thomas]

Every now and then people come on here bemoaning the fact that they have been issued a Fixed Penalty Notice.

What happens if you have no identification on you. After all bikes are not like cars with registration plates. What steps do they take to identify you before issuing the penalty.

Is this a situation where a false name and address would work.

well, you could just not accept the notice. You will probably just get arrested, but if you've not done anything wrong you can then contest it

If you gave false names and stuff, they would no doubt find out, and doing a false report is a reasonably serious offence.

Most cycle FPN are for like £30 anyway....and usually for things that are easy to avoid (pavements, lights, red lights)

 

[chillyuk]

Are you suggesting that our fine officers of the law were looking for backhanders?

When I was a kid in the '50's the police used to dish out backhanders if they got any cheek from us.

 

[shippers]

If the police have "reasonable grounds to suspect" you're a lying toerag who's done anything illegal (dropping litter, for example) you might well find yourself sitting in a cell for a few hours whilst they work out who you are.
If you're lying about who you are, chances are you're trying to hide something- are you wanted for something serious?
If you can get away and make it look like you didn't know they were trying to stop little you, then that's one thing. Giving them your ex's new bloke's name and address, though hilarious, might back fire.

 

[dudi]

Ahh, I see... lack of ID rather than lack of bribes - that makes sense.

Can the police give a 7 day "producer" form to a pedestrian? to require them to pop into the local nick with their ID?