Fixed penalty notices

[Cubist]

The officers should be reasonably certain you are who you say you are when issuing the notice. Various databases will be checked, including the electoral register.

If you choose not to accept the notice and they are happy they have verified your identity, you will be reported for summons. The alternative is that they still give you the FPN and you simply contest it at court. Details of how to do this are on the FPN.

If you lie about your personal details in an effort to evade justice and get caught out, you will be arrested in order to keep you in one place until your details have been verified and your fingerprints live checked against a national database. You will then be charged with the original offence, and a nice new one of obstructing a police officer or even attempting to pervert the course of justice. That latter offence carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment.

 

[Cubist]

Ahh, I see... lack of ID rather than lack of bribes - that makes sense.

Can the police give a 7 day "producer" form to a pedestrian? to require them to pop into the local nick with their ID?

No.

And in any case the 7 day producer is a misnomer.

It works like this. A constable in uniform can exercise powers to stop a motorvehicle and require the driver to produce to him, there and then, his licence, insurance certificate and mot if the car needs one.

If the driver cannot produce the required documents there and then, he commits an offence of failing to produce at the request of a constable etc.

What then happens is you will be reported for summons for failing to produce, but at the same time told that no action will be taken as long as the documents are produced, in order, at a police station of your choice within 7 clear days from the date of the requirement to produce. You are then issued with a form HO/RT 1 as a reminder to produce those documents.

 

[Tynan]

got stopped twenty odd years ago for running a light near the old ring of plastic at Liverpool Street

that day I really had forgotten my wallet and said so, the copper did a lot of huffing and puffing and threatening to take me to the station for a ID check and then let me go, suspect they didn't have the means to id over the radio, do they really have that now though? they always seem too busy to do anything anymore

 

[chillyuk]

Can I just repeat that my original question was purely hypothetical.

My thoughts are that a £30 ticket isn't worth the hassle of risking greater trouble.

 

[dudi]

And in any case the 7 day producer is a misnomer.

Well... shows how much I know about things... mind you, having never had a run-in with the police, it's hardly suprising.

 

[XmisterIS]

By the sounds of things, some of you guys live in Gestapo country!!

Round here the Police use their discretion - if they see you on a bike, screaming along the pavement, knocking old ladies and pushchairs flying, then they will stop you and have a "word". If, however, you are cycling at a leisurely pace along a completely empty pavement, they won't bat an eyelid.

 

[ufkacbln]

I believe the correct protocol is to trawl the obituary columns for a recently deceased person and then give their details as the Police will be unlikely to proceed out of respect for the relatives.

 

[thomas]

do they really have that now though? they always seem too busy to do anything anymore

Yeah, some even have computers which can check finger prints remotely. Computers and lots of databases have made things like this a lot easier.

 

[Bad Company]

I believe the correct protocol is to trawl the obituary columns for a recently deceased person and then give their details as the Police will be unlikely to proceed out of respect for the relatives.

I hope Tony doesn't find this thread. He will start off about Paul Smith and SafeSpeed again.

 

[ufkacbln]

More seriously.....
The FPN is exactly that a "notice" the POlice etc do not carry credit card machines or change. They should not handle the money!


In fact this ignorance is a problem, and used by scammers.

The "Real Hustle" shows a classic.

1. Girl goes in to pub and sells a dozen dodgy DVDs
2. "Police" who have been observing this then arrest her, she "identifies" one of them recalling them as an Officer who has arrested her before.
3. Having thus established themselves as "Police" they then recover the DVDs as evidence and issue £50 FPNs on the punters for recieving counterfeit goods....accepting cash only.

The scammers now have all their DVDs, the money paid for the DVDs and a doxen "FPN"s in their pocket. The one shown netted about £600 in less than fifteen minutes!