Found the Light
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XmisterIS
Purveyor of fine nonsense
Finders keepers, I say, we likes the preciousssss, it's our precioussss now ...
downfader
extimus uero philosophus
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I take it the light is a rear one, LOL. I think most would notice otherwise. 
jonny jeez
Legendary Member
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I thought you'd found religion....So was a bit disappointed when I read the thread.(I was expecting some theological debate)
Wankelschrauben
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Ah religion, I do love a good debate.
You know, when I was in school, we once had a religious group who used to come around, who for the day would teach us their ways and their beliefs.
When asked to complete a number of questions and write a short essay on the subject I suggested the following.
I believe that religions were written by men for other men. Regardless of the original intent they are then manipulated to suit the needs of some and to control others.
I think this for a number of reasons, perhaps most strongly because historically religions have maintained a social order, most promise an afterlife of bliss, by which the living have manipulated the terms by such to suit their needs.
Christianity for example, qouting Matthew 19:24-26, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" would suggest to the poor, by means of a promise of heaven for simply being poor, would keep the rich rich and the poor poor.
Religions also provide answers for questions beyond the comprehension of a society, however it could be suggested that the more a society advances in knowledge and science, the less importance is given to those answers when proven wrong or absurd.
Upon reading my report out loud the religious leader enraged, he bleated his religous statements in defence yet the questions remained and I was ordered out of the room by his companions.
The most valuable lesson I learnt that day, is that a man so strongly influenced by religion, can not be reasoned with.
It is strange that Christianity is based on helping the poor, but only survives if it keeps people poor, uneducated and unquestioning. The more you think about it the more unlikely Christianity becomes. Judeism seems slightly more believeable with a vengeful God.
cyberknight
As long as I breathe, I attack.
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YahudaMoon
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downfader
extimus uero philosophus
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Great stuff! Love HHGTTG!
Found this too:
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Digital_Cowboy
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The worst of the group seem to be the Jehovah's Witnesses, as they can't take a simple "no" as an answer. Where I used to live they would come around knocking on the door it seemed like every week. Asking "Have you found Jesus?" Depending on the mood I was in I'd reply with something like, "I didn't know that he was missing, do you need help in posting flyers?" Or "You know he sure does get lost a lot."
I did find something that worked like a charm in getting them to leave me a lone. Two old gals came to my door one day just after I'd gotten out of the shower. I opened the door to see who was there (no peephole, nor window close enough to the door to see who was there) and being as I lived in a small apartment complex I asked them in thinking that they wouldn't accept. Damned if they didn't accept and come on in. The reason I "invited" them in was standing there in a towel, I didn't want to offend my neighbors if it ended up doing what most towels would end up doing in such a situation, i.e. coming unwrapped and dropping to the floor.
Well as we're sitting there talking it does just that. The older gal kind of runs her eyes down my body to the towel on the floor and clears her throat. I pick it up, re-wrap it and we continue talking. Damned if the bloody thing doesn't come unwrapped a second time. Again the older gal just runs her eyes down my body to the towel and clears her throat. We continue talking, and they ask if they can come back next week with a bible for me. Knowing that they wouldn't take "no" for an answer based on past experience I told them sure.
For some strange reason they never came back around, and for the life of me I can't figure out why that was.
So to anyone who isn't shy if you're having a problem with Jehovah's Witnesses bothering you, maybe answering the door in a towel and having a "wardrobe accident" is in order to get rid of them.One of the things that I find to be funny/ironic with most if not all organized religions is is that they preach about tolerance and religious freedom, but when push comes to shove it's a one-way street in their direction, and if you're not one of them then you need "saving."
I had the 'jovvies' come round, on the conversion trail. Obviously a leader and a recruit. They were both male, the older one was a white guy, the younger appeared to be of Asian heritage. I'm usually too busy to give them the time of day, but this time "Why not?"
So within a couple of minutes the leader saw a challenge, not because I was atheist or agnostic, but because I said I was Buddhist. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "would be monk". I'm probably a Buddhist in the same way that 70% of the population call themselves Christian.....
So began about 10-15 mins of this guy parading his ignorance in front of his recruit. I guess with less than one percent of the population being Buddhist they don't train their guys how to debate against it?
It was basically all the same formula:
"You worship Buddha"
"No, Buddha was just a man. Enlightened, but just a man. Buddhism has no deity"
Imagine 15 mins of him coming out with statements that got immediately shot down. 15 mins can be a Loooong time!
There was a look of relief on his face as I said I had to go, and a smirk on the face of his recruit!
So within a couple of minutes the leader saw a challenge, not because I was atheist or agnostic, but because I said I was Buddhist. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "would be monk". I'm probably a Buddhist in the same way that 70% of the population call themselves Christian.....
So began about 10-15 mins of this guy parading his ignorance in front of his recruit. I guess with less than one percent of the population being Buddhist they don't train their guys how to debate against it?
It was basically all the same formula:
"You worship Buddha"
"No, Buddha was just a man. Enlightened, but just a man. Buddhism has no deity"
Imagine 15 mins of him coming out with statements that got immediately shot down. 15 mins can be a Loooong time!
There was a look of relief on his face as I said I had to go, and a smirk on the face of his recruit!
Digital_Cowboy
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I had the 'jovvies' come round, on the conversion trail. Obviously a leader and a recruit. They were both male, the older one was a white guy, the younger appeared to be of Asian heritage. I'm usually too busy to give them the time of day, but this time "Why not?"
So within a couple of minutes the leader saw a challenge, not because I was atheist or agnostic, but because I said I was Buddhist. Don't get me wrong, I'm no "would be monk". I'm probably a Buddhist in the same way that 70% of the population call themselves Christian.....
So began about 10-15 mins of this guy parading his ignorance in front of his recruit. I guess with less than one percent of the population being Buddhist they don't train their guys how to debate against it?
It was basically all the same formula:
"You worship Buddha"
"No, Buddha was just a man. Enlightened, but just a man. Buddhism has no deity"
Imagine 15 mins of him coming out with statements that got immediately shot down. 15 mins can be a Loooong time!
There was a look of relief on his face as I said I had to go, and a smirk on the face of his recruit!
Yeah, you'd think a little more research into other religions before they try to knock them. If for no other reason so that they don't come out looking like a horses arse when they're proved to have inaccurate information. About the only thing that I'll give them credit for is that as I understand it, the reason that they don't celebrate birthday's or holidays is because of their pagan roots.
Of course the real irony there is that most if not all modern religions have pagan roots. Right down to the rituals that they do observe.
Oh the evangelicals have that. There are resources out there, initially aimed at missionarys. Step by step, point by point reasoned arguements. How to destroy faith in the local indigenous religions and how to contrast that with their own brand of Christianity.
I found some of them online a few years ago. I believe on your side of the pond. (I was doing the usual research into alternatives, after a catholic upbringing
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