France/Greece 2012

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oldleggs

Über Member
Thinking of planning a tour to Greece next year starting from Calais and doing the eastern European route.l would like to island hop back through the Med to Spain then Santander and home. Camping would be the preferred means of accommodation. Start date April/May.
Any advise or knowledge of routes/ferries campsites etc would be welcomed.

Oldleggs
 

xilios

Veteran
Location
Maastricht, NL
Check out our site for some information, if you have any specific questions about places we have visited, let me know.
 
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oldleggs

Über Member
apsykes/xilios
Have either of you gone overland to Greece via the Slovenia/Croatia/Albania route? lf so any info on camp sites and road conditions etc.
Thanks for the info on your respective websites very informative.

Regards oldleggs
 

Brains

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Location
Greenwich
Go there via the Rhein and Danube rivers - excelent cycle path the entire way with detailed books/maps in English from Esterbauer BikeLine.

Go back via the islands, Patras, Brindisi, Italy, France, Spain
 

Percy

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I've ridden back from Greece, mostly via the Danube - I arrived in Igoumenitsa on the west coast and rode across to the very right hand corner, then into Turkey, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Austria, Germany, France.

The Danube is fantastic, although I didn't follow the cycle path the whole way, beacuse I wanted to go through Romania. The stretch with the three capitals (Vienna, Bratislava, Budapest) is well worth hitting.

If you followed that sort of route down it would allow you to cycle all the way across the top of Greece, which is a great journey, then from Igoumenitsa you can catch ferries into the med. You could even go across to Italy (Ancona), cycle across Tuscany, then get another ferry on to Sardinia, then the Balaerics.

I should imagine Slovenia/Croatia/Albania would be a good trip too though.
 
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oldleggs

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Percy.....sounds fantastic!

How long did the trip take? My hope is to camp most of the time interspersed with the occasional b/b. How much was the accommodation and its availability in Turkey, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia. The cost in France Germany and Austria l'm more familiar with.

The island hoping back through the med really does appeal to me.

Because my trip is in its infancy and open to change, any other ideas or suggestion would appreciated.
 

Percy

Well-Known Member
It was part of a longer trip but from arriving in Greece to returning to the channel was maybe three months for me. I was by no means attempting to stick to a time limit, however, and cycled fairly leisurely (40-50 miles a day) and frequently took days off/detours as the mood took me. I had a whole week's holiday in Halkidiki, north-eastern Greece, for example, as well as four days in Budapest.

General thoughs on the accommodation:

Turkey: I only spent a couple of days there but generally hotels were fairly cheap and plentiful - about £25 when I was there, I think. Worth stopping in Edirne on your way down just for the cultural shift - amazing place.

Bulgaria: Very cheap (outside Sofia) and generally disgusting. Cockroaches in rooms and in restaurants in most of the little towns. I did get a few nice ones though - £12 a night in what would be 5* over here - king-sized bed, lounge area, massive bathroom, all newly refurbished. I stayed two nights! That was in Vratsa, north of Sofia. A great town and the ride up the valley from Sofia was stunning - despite having four p*nctures!

Serbia: See Bulgaria, without the nice ones.

Romania: Surprisingly better than Bulgaria but not as cheap as you might think - around £25-30 per room. Timisoara is the town to hit if you go that way. Quick note on Romania - I was advised by many people not to go there because it's 'dangerous, full of thieves, you'll get lynched' etc., but I'm very glad I did. The countryside is beautiful and it's just such a different world - they tend their fields by hand, most of the traffic in the villages is horse and cart. But it's not got the feeling of poverty that areas of, say, Bulgaria and Serbia have, where you often see people picking through rubbish tips etc. Romania has a more serene, contented feel. Quite a magical place - and I didn't get lynched or robbed.

Hungary: much like Germany/Austria in many ways, including the hotels, although perhaps slightly cheaper - like Romania prices. Plentiful and of varying quality, but never as bad as Bulgaria.

Slovakia: A step down from Hungary in terms of price, apart from Bratislava, naturally. An interesting country - really liked it there.

You'll generally have no problem finding somewhere to stay - there's always a hotel of some sort.

I didn't really camp at all through that stretch, for various reasons. Mostly because I wanted to use my time 'off the bike' as best I could, exploring the towns and cities along the way and just seeing what life was like there. I'd see enough of the 'country life' in the days, from the saddle, and wanted to immerse myself in the other side in my evenings/days off. Obviously not the cheapest way of doing it but I got more out of it that way, I think. All depends on your own motivations.

Decent maps of Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria were fairly hard to come by out there - I'd get them in Germany/Austria if you can. Saying that, though, navigation isn't a huge problem - there's just not that many roads!

I'm reluctant to suggest or recommend anything in particular as it really depends on you. I really enjoyed that section of my ride - it was hard at times and some of the places I stayed weren't the nicest or the most inviting, but that was part of why I wanted to go out there - to experience it, just see what it was like.
 
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it was hard at times and some of the places I stayed weren't the nicest or the most inviting, but that was part of why I wanted to go out there - to experience it, just see what it was like.

Bravo - a man after my own philosophy - I remember reading your updates - did you ever turn it into a journal/blog?
 

Percy

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Bravo - a man after my own philosophy - I remember reading your updates - did you ever turn it into a journal/blog?

I blogged all the way through - it's still up here. The trip started in March 2007, through to November.

I had planned to make something of a book out of it but in the end couldn't really get on with just writing a long account of what I got up to - it felt a little too self indulgent and most of it not particularly of interest to anyone. I also started a semi-fictionalised story centering around four people I met while riding through Spain, that was to become a novel of sorts, but that didn't feel right in the end either. I've given up on making it into anything more than it is now I think!
 
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I blogged all the way through - it's still up here. The trip started in March 2007, through to November.

I had planned to make something of a book out of it but in the end couldn't really get on with just writing a long account of what I got up to - it felt a little too self indulgent and most of it not particularly of interest to anyone. I also started a semi-fictionalised story centering around four people I met while riding through Spain, that was to become a novel of sorts, but that didn't feel right in the end either. I've given up on making it into anything more than it is now I think!


Merci Beucoup - for some reason I never came across the blog - reading in bits now

I used to be dead against writing blogs/journal to share with the world for the same sort of reasons you gave - but now I wish I had kept better notes of some of my early trips - between not being able to pronounce a lot of places ive been and time they sort of blend together - and written a journal - however, not for the world at large but just for me
 

Percy

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Merci Beucoup - for some reason I never came across the blog - reading in bits now

I used to be dead against writing blogs/journal to share with the world for the same sort of reasons you gave - but now I wish I had kept better notes of some of my early trips - between not being able to pronounce a lot of places ive been and time they sort of blend together - and written a journal - however, not for the world at large but just for me

Yeah, the blog was as much to keep family/friends up to date as anything else, although I quite enjoyed doing it from a creative aspect as well as the 'news' part of it.

I kept very detailed journals all the way through and am pleased I did - I use them quite a lot now when trying to remember specific places or incidents. It's long enough ago that I can read them now having forgotten certain things - towns, people, strange sights etc. Too nostalgic for my own good sometimes though I think! I've been on other trips since - two or three weeks - but never felt the urge to record them in that way. I guess that was 'the big one' back then - if (when!) there's another 'big one' I'll do the same.
 
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oldleggs

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Go there via the Rhein and Danube rivers - excelent cycle path the entire way with detailed books/maps in English from Esterbauer BikeLine.

Go back via the islands, Patras, Brindisi, Italy, France, Spain


Thanks Brains....I'ave been studying your suggestion regarding my proposed tour to Greece next year via the Rhine/Danube route.Seems like a good route to take whether l'd stay with the the rivers all the way I'm not sure. A few maps have been bought and researched,numerous opportunities to island hop back through the Med.....loads of ferries available.
So thanks for your ideas again

oldleggs
 
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