Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by Mortiroloboy, 7 Apr 2008.
Oh dear, typical of them to capitulate at the first sign of trouble.
How sad WE british cannot put it out, though we make a bloody good job of producing a farce ! yet the French - do the job !!!
Id rather be any other nationality than British !
How differently we feel yenners..
I was proud to be british yesterday. The torch carrying turned into a 31 mile fight, just like the old days when protests were protests (I've been in a few of them too) The blue tracksuit chinese looked like arses. I am mighty glad that we have the right to protest here.
I'm lost. What's this thread about?
Chinese tracksuits? The French?
Any road, I heard the old flame was going to the summit of mt.everest....um, why?
Lets not get politics mixed up with sport,(easier said than done I realise)The Olympic flame is a symbol of sporting excellence, people demonstrating in London Yesterday were expressing their views on China's dealings in Tibet, as Kirstie quite correctly points out thankfully we have the democratic right to demonstrate against things they disagree with. whilst still maintaining the status quo.
My point was that the French allowed the flame to be extinguished/put it out themselves (four times now) which has broken the continuity of the flame, which is intended to remain alight from Olympia in Greece to the place where the Olympics are next being held, as a symbol to all the particpating countries through which it travels.
Back to my original point then, how typical of the lilly livered French to take the easy way out and capitulate to the demonstrators.
Sorry to detract from the thinking here but reports say that the flame was extinguished by the authorities and transferred to busses for safety or to avoid further embaressment. Trust the French to go one better than the British.
It also appears there are back up/contingency flames just in case of situations such as the torch is experiencing;
According to reports the ceremony was cut short when officials hung out the Tibetan flag.
Are we to assume, Mortirolloboy that you are a Chinaman?
Mortiroloboy - read your history! The Olympic flame was a tradition started by the Nazis and has nothing to do with sport and everything to do with propaganda. Or more accurately sport and politics and always mixed up.
but but but... the demonstrators were French too. Ah, conspirators! That's it! What you mean is 'trust the conspiratorial, lilly livered French demonstrators to collaborate with the....'
Nah, hang on... that doesn't work either
No or, Non if you prefer, are we to assume that you are a Frenchman then Asterix? I'm not defending what the demonstrators were doing, many of whom quite clearly weren't Chinese, not in London anyway, just the usual rabble of rent-a-mob, who will demonstrate against anything and everything, and are usually just generally anti establishment of whatever political hue.
We are fortunate to be able to demonstrate in the UK just so long as it is peaceful and the Queens peace is not disturbed!
That's why the good old MetPol were there out in force to insure that the Olympic torch was relayed through our capital city unimpeded and unextinguished, whilst still allowing free people to express their opinions.
Sadly the Chinese Govt. has entirely different views, but then they aren't quite as democratic as we are.
In keeping the torch alight we weren't in any way supporting the Chinese Govt. we were howeverupholding the Olympic tradition ensuring the continuity of the flame on its journey, which is something that the French Govt. for whatever reason decided wasn't so important.
OK, so Hitler started it in 1936, then he started a War...Oh my god, I'll never eat another Chinese takeaway ever again
Non, pas du tout, je suis Gaulois naturellement.
Slightly OT.... or maybe not....
I have for some years thought that the "Olympic ideal", or as our favourite Minister puts it the "Olympic Brand" is already tarnished.
The fact is that we are about to bankrupt ourselves to host this event, and that there are few countries who can afford to do so.
If we discuss the "Ideal" surely we should be looking at decommercialising this event to the stage where a third world country can organise an event?
I loved the comment by the senior police officer to the BBC yesterday when asked if the Police were being heavy handed.
"If you run into a group of burly policemen, then you must expect to come flying back out"
The "Olympic flame" per se was actually reintroduced into the modern Olympics in the 1928 Summer Games in Amsterdam.
It is the torch relay that was dreamt up by Goebbels.
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