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wafflycat said:
The most frightening one I've seen in Cambridge was the cyclist with a red light on her handlebars...

I see that lots in Londinium.Any colour you can think of,almost.

BentMikey said:
...but it's easy to see an unlit cyclist. That's why everyone complains about them. How many didn't you see?

Strongly disagree,almost got mowed down by a motorist on a rounderbout in Gran Canaria a few years ago as he *definitely* did not see me.The light was failing and I didn't have lights or hi-viz.

Last year almost collided with an unlit dark clothing wearing cyclist who cycled off of the pavement right in front of me.I saw him very late and with a car right behind me managed to avoid him just.If he had had lights or lighter clothing I reckon I would have seen him earlier.


BentMikey said:
How many didn't you see?

Absurd question,how would I know?
 

Cab

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GrasB said:
So hills road is navigable by bicycle then? I've not been up there for ages.

Navigable, and actually better than its been previously, since the bride was re-done.

What's more alarming than cyclist in the middle of cambridge not having lights & wearing black, having red light at the front & back, etc. is a herd of cyclists coming down the backs sprawling all over both sides of the road at night (probably 50% of them without lights) & despite me shouting "rider ahead" & moped hooters they seemed completely oblivious to the fact that 2 mopeds and a rather fast moving cyclist where approaching them as they chatted amongst them selves. Not to mention they cycled through a red light & almost took out 2 peds.

I'm willing to bet that was the annual influx of foreign language students. Happens every year; hordes of them, 20-40 in groups of hired bikes, swarming across the whole road. A surprising sight.
 

Cab

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hackbike 666 said:
Last year almost collided with an unlit dark clothing wearing cyclist who cycled off of the pavement right in front of me.I saw him very late and with a car right behind me managed to avoid him just.If he had had lights or lighter clothing I reckon I would have seen him earlier.

I suspect from your description of the event that had he been in the road you'd have seen him; no lights and pavement hopping (coming from a direction you're paying less attention to and being darkened) is a different kettle of fish.

The cyclists referred to in the original post were part of what is a constant stream of cyclists on a well lit road; not like the example you've given in any way.
 

purplepolly

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Last week I was about to turn right onto a cyclepath (proper away from road job) and heard a cyclist on the path to the right. He was wearing dark clothes, riding under trees at dawn on a cloudy day. I've got very good hearing, better than most people I know, and if it hadn't of been for this and the fact that I was pedantic enough to stop and listen I would have pulled out and we would have collided.
 

Cab

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purplepolly said:
Last week I was about to turn right onto a cyclepath (proper away from road job) and heard a cyclist on the path to the right. He was wearing dark clothes, riding under trees at dawn on a cloudy day. I've got very good hearing, better than most people I know, and if it hadn't of been for this and the fact that I was pedantic enough to stop and listen I would have pulled out and we would have collided.

An elegant demonstration of one of the greatest dangers of off-road cycle routes, the transtion from road to path being an added danger that few really consider :becool:

You're right that in the dark, on a dark road, it makes an enormous difference. I stand by that not being even remotely the case in the incident in the origninal post.
 

GrasB

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Cab said:
Navigable, and actually better than its been previously, since the bride was re-done.
Fair enough, I've had no reason to go down there for a long time now. Last time I saw it was in the papers & it looked a complete mess.

I'm willing to bet that was the annual influx of foreign language students. Happens every year; hordes of them, 20-40 in groups of hired bikes, swarming across the whole road. A surprising sight.
Sounded more like uni students to me. Unless foreign language students' english has improved immeasurably in recent years.
 

Lukas

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I find it crazy that people cycle along Barnwell Road at night with dark clothing and no lights. On one side you have a pavement that is a cycle path and other other side you have a very wide cycle path. There is no need to be on the road at night, lights or no lights.

Many years ago I knocked a cyclist off in my car with no lights. It was 20:10 in February and raining, she came from my right, I only saw her once she was she was in my head lights which was too late. Luckily I was not going fast and was quick on the brakes. Her helmet was in her basket and her light were broken or had flat batteries. She wasn't hurt. Her wheels were buckled a bit. If she had working lights I would have seen her and the collision wouldn't have happened. I think, if you go out without lights in the winter you deserve all that comes to you. Unfortunately the the police didn't see riding a bike in such conditions without lights and leaving the scene of an accident as offenses for a cyclist but for me they they thought careless driving was in order.

Every year we hear about the local police cracking down on cyclists with no lights and red light jumping but it never seems to have an affect.

I've told work colleagues that I know jump red lights, if they do it when I'm standing at a pedestrian crossing, I'll kick their front wheel as they go pass.

Rant over.
 

Cab

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GrasB said:
Fair enough, I've had no reason to go down there for a long time now. Last time I saw it was in the papers & it looked a complete mess.

It was. But now that its finished and theres a trial there whereby on either uphill side there is a wide cycle lane and a single lane for motorised traffic, merging to two ordinary lanes on the downward slopes, it massively better than it used to be.
 

Cab

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Lukas said:
I find it crazy that people cycle along Barnwell Road at night with dark clothing and no lights. On one side you have a pavement that is a cycle path and other other side you have a very wide cycle path. There is no need to be on the road at night, lights or no lights.

Completely, utterly untrue. The cycle routes on either side of the road aren't bad, but if I'm in a hurry (doing 20mph isn't unrealistic there) then the surfaces of those routes are simply not good enough for safe travel. Therefore the correct (safest) way to travel is on the road, with lights on if its dark.

Many years ago I knocked a cyclist off in my car with no lights. It was 20:10 in February and raining, she came from my right, I only saw her once she was she was in my head lights which was too late. Luckily I was not going fast and was quick on the brakes. Her helmet was in her basket and her light were broken or had flat batteries. She wasn't hurt. Her wheels were buckled a bit. If she had working lights I would have seen her and the collision wouldn't have happened. I think, if you go out without lights in the winter you deserve all that comes to you. Unfortunately the the police didn't see riding a bike in such conditions without lights and leaving the scene of an accident as offenses for a cyclist but for me they they thought careless driving was in order.

Or in other words the police thought that you ought to have seen her despite not having lights, so they charged you for careless driving.

That she didn't have lights is not in itself justification for not having seen her. Yes, she was in the wrong, but that doesn't vindicate your claim not to be careless; Plod wouldn't have claimed you were in error otherwise.

As for a cyclist leaving the scene of an accident... You need to consider just how mangling it is for a person to get up from that and wander off. Its likely that she sat down later and shook; if you're the victim in a hit like that you don't necessarily act rationally afterwards.

Every year we hear about the local police cracking down on cyclists with no lights and red light jumping but it never seems to have an affect.

Yes, every year they target students who have just taken up cycling, who are going to give up soon anyway because they've just bought clunking bad bikes for a pittance from a bunch of cowboys, and their experience of cycling will be that the bike fights you and the motons on the roads hate you. By January a lot of them have already given up, and the pathetic tokenism from Cambridgeshire constabulary who are desperate to be seen to do something to appease the motoring majority merely serves to alienate cyclists. It has no practical impact on how people ride in Cambridge. At all. Ever.

I've told work colleagues that I know jump red lights, if they do it when I'm standing at a pedestrian crossing, I'll kick their front wheel as they go pass.

Rant over.

So, because they're doing something wrong you're going to aswell? Gee, mature.
 

chap

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Camgreen said:
The number of people cycling along Hills Road Cambridge last night without lights. Some even compounded the situation wearing dark clothing and no helmet. This was around 6.30, by then it isn't dusk, it's dark!


I do sometimes where dark clothes, although I have lights and reflectives. A helmet is advisable on London's roads, especially as we approach winter.
 
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