Getting fed up of Motorcyclists pulling this stunt

[Lee_M]

To the OP I admit to being a a Demon of Death, sorry a Motorcyclist,
Alan...

I bet you eat small children and torture kittens too

You beast !

 

[gaz]

To the OP I admit to being a a Demon of Death, sorry a Motorcyclist, if anything I think what the motorcyclist did was more sensible than you, you put yourself in danger by going over the white line & forcing the black car over, had I been driving that car I think I would have uttered a few choice words. Then once in front of the van you put yourself in more danger by staying to the right & blocking the van from setting off, again had a been the van driver I suspect I would have uttered a few more choice words.

The motorcyclist on the other hand, came up the clear left hand lane, something you should have done, positioned himself in the middle of the 2 lanes so that had you not been there & the van wanted to make a Sweeney getaway the motorcyclist would have not been in danger.

Do you have a license to drive any vehicle, have you had any formal training? I really do think you need to examine your own actions before deriding others.

Alan...

I think the same could be said for you.

Then once in front of the van you put yourself in more danger by staying to the right & blocking the van from setting off, again had a been the van driver I suspect I would have uttered a few more choice words.

The key to safe cycling in traffic is to position your self in a position that stops people from overtaking as you set off. Bicycles are wobbily at low speeds. Would you really have uttered some words because of that?

positioned himself in the middle of the 2 lanes so that had you not been there & the van wanted to make a Sweeney getaway the motorcyclist would have not been in danger.

This position is an extremely dangerous one to put your self in, especially if you aren't quick off the line. You could have traffic from either side of you passing very closely.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

This position is an extremely dangerous one to put your self in, especially if you aren't quick off the line. You could have traffic from either side of you passing very closely.

So you would rather be a hazed & cause annoyance to other road users, do you ever wonder why drivers hate cyclists.

Alan...

 

[gaz]

So you would rather be a hazed & cause annoyance to other road users, do you ever wonder why drivers hate cyclists.

Alan...

I suggest you read post #2 and #5 if you want to find out what my stance is on what should be done in this situation.

 

[HLaB]

I've had a motorbike undertake me in the left lane at a similar junction when I was moving (had green, left turn had red, as streetview), and immediately cut across me to turn right and that scared the bejesus out of me at the time. I can't really see the problem in the vid though other than its a little naughty, the OP is stopped and aware of the motor bike

 

[BentMikey]

So you would rather be a hazed & cause annoyance to other road users, do you ever wonder why drivers hate cyclists.

Alan...

Gaz is right, you need to take the lane through junctions. Splitting the lane is a dangerous practice, leaving you with high speed vehicles passing inches both sides of you at the same time.

 

[GrasB]

The motorcyclist on the other hand, came up the clear left hand lane, something you should have done, positioned himself in the middle of the 2 lanes so that had you not been there & the van wanted to make a Sweeney getaway the motorcyclist would have not been in danger.

Why should the van driver make a Sweeney getaway? There is no need for him to drive in an aggressive & dangerous manner!

So you would rather be a hazed & cause annoyance to other road users, do you ever wonder why drivers hate cyclists.

How can a cyclist pulling away from a standstill in front of a stationary vehicle cause a hazard to them? The only hazard is the motorist to the cyclist by driving in a dangerous manner! Every week I see a small number of cyclists stationary, perpendicular to the kerb the far side of this junction after someone has barged past them after they kept a passive position towards the left hand side of the lane. The majority of drivers keep behind a cyclist regardless of their position across the junction. So why should drivers get annoyed by a cyclist holding the middle of the lane when most drivers seem to think they should stay behind cyclists? Wold that be because the ones charging past have no consideration to the danger they're putting other, vulnerable, road users in?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Why should the van driver make a Sweeney getaway? There is no need for him to drive in an aggressive & dangerous manner!

Why does any driver pass a cyclist with less than 12 inches of room, why does a driver pull out of a petrol station when there is a cycle coming towards them, why is grass green & the sky blue, don't answer these as I know the answer to the last two.

How can a cyclist pulling away from a standstill in front of a stationary vehicle cause a hazard to them?

So you have a van driver you're making deliveries, you've had a nice day so far & you're sat at a junction, when some ****head on a cycle decides to overtake you & position himself in such a way that he's going to hold you up away from the junction instead of being considerate & leaving you room to safely overtake him.

Sorry but the more of these helmet cam cowboys I see, the more I understand why car drivers get upset, cyclists being totally inconsiderate of other road users.

Alan...

 

[BentMikey]

Sorry but the more of these helmet cam cowboys I see, the more I understand why car drivers get upset, cyclists being totally inconsiderate of other road users.

Alan...

You're confounding helmet camera riders with trained cyclists.

Untrained and inexperienced cyclists tend to take junctions by staying left in an attempt to not inconvenience motorists, and experience far more close passes and left hooks as a result. Trained and experienced cyclists are more likely to take the lane through junctions, and then fade left as soon as it's safe to share the road and make it easy for motorists to get past.

Even the IAM advises cyclists to take the lane through junctions. Are you suggesting they are wrong?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Even the IAM advises cyclists to take the lane through junctions. Are you suggesting they are wrong?

As a member of the IAM how could I disagree, do you think the IAM would approve of his van overtake?

Alan...

 

[campbellab]

So you have a van driver you're making deliveries, you've had a nice day so far & you're sat at a junction, when some ****head on a cycle decides to overtake you & position himself in such a way that he's going to hold you up away from the junction instead of being considerate & leaving you room to safely overtake him.

You fail to see that sitting between lanes wouldn't give the van room to safely overtake instead it puts the cyclist at risk of being knocked from either side and down infront of the vehicle in the other lane - SPLAT.
At that junction people turning right in the opposite direction are likely to encroach on the 'overtaking' room - SPLAT.
As we have seen, people in the left lane sometimes go straight on - SPLAT.

Whether the cyclist should have put himself ahead in the ASL is a different argument, with no correct answer.

 

[Hip Priest]

So you would rather be a hazed & cause annoyance to other road users, do you ever wonder why drivers hate cyclists.

Alan...

Would I rather be a hazard & cause annoyance to other road users, or position myself dangerously and end up lying dead or seriously injured in the middle of the road? Hmm, it's a toughie. Can I get back to you?

 

[tonyhalsall]

As a car driver, motorcyclist and cyclist I would have to disagree with the OP on many counts. Whether we cycle, motorcycle or drive our intention is always to make progress as safely as possible within the law. Antagonising other road users by slowing them down for no reason serves no purpose whatsoever and neither does tribalistic, entrenched views about other road users - whatever form of transport they are using. Stay defensive, stay respectful and make the best progress that you can.

 

[stowie]

So you have a van driver you're making deliveries, you've had a nice day so far & you're sat at a junction, when some ****head on a cycle decides to overtake you & position himself in such a way that he's going to hold you up away from the junction instead of being considerate & leaving you room to safely overtake him.

Sorry but the more of these helmet cam cowboys I see, the more I understand why car drivers get upset, cyclists being totally inconsiderate of other road users.

Alan...

Posing a hazard is the same thing as inconveniencing? My word, that van driver must be counting his blessings after such a hazardous encounter with a cyclist.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

As a car driver, motorcyclist and cyclist I would have to disagree with the OP on many counts. Whether we cycle, motorcycle or drive our intention is always to make progress as safely as possible within the law. Antagonising other road users by slowing them down for no reason serves no purpose whatsoever and neither does tribalistic, entrenched views about other road users - whatever form of transport they are using. Stay defensive, stay respectful and make the best progress that you can.

Well said that man, are you sure you're on the correct forum

Alan...